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260 Rem 02-20-2013 06:07 PM

My factory hunting rifle shoots under .75" all day, Really, Prove it!
 
This CHALLENGE for the shooters not prepared to attempt either of the 1/2" Challenges. The Rules are the Rules. No whining or complaining.
THE RULES
- Rifles are restricted to unmodified factory rifles with muzzle diameters under .75"
(No heavy barreled varmint rigs)
- No modifications to stock, trigger,etc. No aftermarket stocks or barrels.
- No rest restrictions, so from lead sled to off-hand.
- To post, must show five consecutive groups of three shots in each group--- on one target panel... with no group exceeding .75" measured C to C. Five groups only, not best five out of seven.
- Target distance must be 100M, but 100 yds is OK for shooters not into metric.
- Must post target picture showing all five groups under 0.75" with calipers showing measurment over the largest group. Write the size of each group under the group. Provide the five group average. No coins or other items which could hide a flier.
- Successful challengers must post a picture of the groups and the rifle as shot, including rest...bags...fence post...
NOTE: There are no caliber or bullet restrictions.
High end factory rifles including Cooper, HS Precision are permitted.
Shooting can take place during legal hunting hours and at any temperature to simulate real world conditions:)

Dick284 02-20-2013 07:03 PM

I'm out, all my factory rifles are bedded, and have the triggers tweaked.

260 Rem 02-20-2013 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick284 (Post 1857960)
I'm out, all my factory rifles are bedded, and have the triggers tweaked.

RULE CLARIFICATION/ Modification
Good point Dick
Tweaking factory triggers OK as long as it is only for pull weight, creep, and overtravel. No new trigger parts.
Glass bedding OK (some factory rifles Browning are bedded so this change will even the requirements.) But, no after factory pillars installed.

Dick284 02-20-2013 07:23 PM

Well then, here's hoping for this weekend

Twisted Canuck 02-20-2013 08:43 PM

Well, I think my rifle could do it, but I'm also pretty confident that I personally couldn't do it. :) I have a Remington 700, Boone & Crockett edition (laminate, with fluted barrel), bedded and trigger tuned at Corlanes, chambered in 7mm08. I shot this 5 round group at Wapiti shooter's Club here, and it is probably the best group I have ever shot. I can't prove my rifle can meet this challenge, because frankly I don't have the shooting skills others on this board have. But I am pretty confident that with the right person behind it, my rifle could probably meet the challenge. I have a VX3, 3-9 x 40 on this rifle, and was shooting 140 gr Nosler partitions, Federal Premium factory loads (I don't reload yet). I'd honestly like to see what this rifle could do with a better man behind the trigger. I think that the best I could manage with your criteria is probably in the 1"-1 1/4" range, on a good day.

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/o...k/IMG_0125.jpg

bsmitty27 02-20-2013 08:50 PM

Getting closer! 8-)

260 Rem 02-21-2013 01:01 PM

Feb 21- just back from the Range where I was fortunate to have some "real world" conditions with temp at -7C, light cross wind from behind, intermitent light snow. Didn't have enough loads for my 308 Win hunting rifle to shoot all groups with the same load... so had to go with two different batches..as you see, the three groups with the 165 Sierra Game Kings shoot well in this rifle...the 168 Berger Hunting VLD's not quite so good.
http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/y...ps480e1f11.jpg

260 Rem 02-21-2013 01:05 PM

Rifle is out-of-the-box .... TC ICON Weathershield chambered in 308 Win. The trigger is adjustable but I can't seem to get this one much below 4 lbs.
http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/y...ps21092d41.jpg

jeepster 02-21-2013 06:21 PM

Are you happy? Groups look great. That TC shoots better that most custom/specialty rifles that I've seen!

260 Rem 02-21-2013 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeepster (Post 1859532)
Are you happy? Groups look great. That TC shoots better that most custom/specialty rifles that I've seen!

I would have been happier if I would have had enough of the Sierra 165's loaded to shoot all five groups. There was tension during the two groups with Bergers. A good reminder of why I don't shoot competatively. Also, remember these are only three shot groups, but this rifle does typically shoot 5 shot groups in the .6" range.
EDIT: Just checked pull weight - average 3.5lbs, but breaks clean with no overtravel.

bulletman 02-21-2013 07:05 PM

groups
 
Nice groups 260!

260 Rem 02-25-2013 11:29 AM

Although shooting 3 shot groups feels like cheating, I buried my pride again and dug out an old favorite that I haven't shot in years. My last shooting with this rifle was in my "pre Berger" days, so I thought I would do so some load testing while taking the challenge. Shot at 100M ..Two groups on right were with 43.0gr H4350, center with 43.3, and two left with 43.6gr...the last groups showed a bit of pressure. Rifle is stock Cooper Model 22 in 260 Rem.
http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/y...ps6bed5953.jpg
http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/y...ps72ed4153.jpg
http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/y...psa8507ee6.jpg

260 Rem 02-25-2013 04:39 PM

Better view of stock, and the reason this rifle is still with me after several years.
http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/y...psf5c3cabe.jpg

260 Rem 03-02-2013 06:10 PM

Weather was great today (Sat)...if you didn't get out today, you may be out-of-luck for a few days...snowing!

Lefty-Canuck 03-02-2013 10:20 PM

If I wasn't at an archery tournament I would be out shooting :)

LC

260 Rem 03-20-2013 02:26 PM

To date. March 20, still only two rifles with successful group pictures? What's up? We've had typical hunting weather. Come on shooters!

260 Rem 04-19-2013 12:52 PM

To date, April 19th and still only two factory rifles to show ... Load'em up and shoot this weekend.

260 Rem 05-19-2013 12:31 PM

This Challenge migrated from Sipers Hide in 2012 to Gunnutz where it was posted by Underthegun on Jan 21, 2013..and was again re-posted (by myself) to AO on Feb 20, 2013. It has been "stickied" on Gunnutz (Hunting and Sporting Arms Forum) so it is easy to find for challengers, and to date it has had over 17,000 views with four different shooters meeting the original challenge requirements for posting. On the re-post, I did not carry forward the Gunnutz practice of tracking the "smallest" group or "smallest average" in order to keep it a CHALLENGE as opposed to a competition.

260 Rem 10-04-2013 09:24 AM

This should add a little spice to those who feel inclined to take up the CHALLENGE now that all the factory hunting rifles are out of the safe.

forgesmith 10-04-2013 09:38 AM

Nice piece of wood
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 260 Rem (Post 1864684)
Better view of stock, and the reason this rifle is still with me after several years.
http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/y...psf5c3cabe.jpg

Nice to see some wood that is a pleasure to look at. So much black these days

twispi 10-05-2013 08:34 AM

Well I head out today shooting. Getting ready to hunt northern alberta next week. Last time I was out had about .6 groups. see if I can keep my shooting consistent enough to get to post pictures

Icefisher2885 10-05-2013 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forgesmith (Post 2140318)
Nice to see some wood that is a pleasure to look at. So much black these days

I agree - I have a couple black rifles too, but there is nothing more beautiful than a fine piece of figured wood for a rifle stock.

300backfire 10-10-2013 10:39 AM

I humbly come to this thread with defeat in my bones. best group .725. after that it started going south. a three shot group is one thing, but 5 is quite another, and to do it 5 times yet? my hat goes off to all you guys that can do it. maybe another 10 yrs and $30,000 dallars in ammo. until then ill hang my head and slither back to my basement

260 Rem 12-10-2013 08:02 PM

Any interest

silver 12-10-2013 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 260 Rem (Post 2233610)
Any interest

Yes, there is. I have a rifle or two that shows promise. I have one that has shown moments of brilliance. It may be that I have finally found my problem and the solution. Or maybe not.

If I can get some days off when it isn't blowing a gale, I may get a chance to shoot a group or two. I may be able to find out if my theory is right or if I am flailing in the dark.

I may even have a big bore that has shown promise.

qmurphy 12-14-2013 11:10 PM

So what do you guys think would be a realistic average for off the shelf hunting rifles? 1.5"?

260 Rem 12-14-2013 11:36 PM

I doubt there are any studies on factory fresh rifle groups, but I think the number of sucesses in to date in this thread would suggest there may a limited number that will do the repeat shot performance called for in this thread. I hear a fair number "under 1MOA claims" but haven't seen any go five in a row.

Pathfinder76 12-14-2013 11:48 PM

I'm still wondering when I'm going to get 15 shots at a deer off a bench.

Bushrat 12-15-2013 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 2239715)
I'm still wondering when I'm going to get 15 shots at a deer off a bench.

I've heard the best deer stand is a Concrete Bench. Deer is easy to kill, paper is a different story.

260 Rem 02-02-2014 09:56 AM

Well, it's been nearly a year...and I'm back from Palm Springs (again). Bumping this thread to see if there is interest among Tikka shooters ...well, anybody really :) Remember, it's just a Challenge, not a contest. Have fun, and do some shooting.


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