Sorry but if you play stupid games you win stupid prizes. Everyone on the planet knows you role the dice each and every time, no sympathy here except for the people left behind.
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Been to a number of overdose calls. Narcan (naloxone) can be a wonder drug if administered promptly. I've seen a couple of patients almost flat lined (asystole) and a shot of naloxone in a timely manner brought them back almost instantly.
Unfortunately I have also seen a few that couldn't be brought back, including two from the same house within 8 days of each other. You would think that if someone died from an overdose of heroin, probably laced with fentanyl, that others in the same house would pass on shooting up with the same crap. Its tough on friends and family members, but as Ken can probably attest to, it is also hard on the first responders. Working a patient for an hour, then ceasing resuscitation efforts (based on orders from medical control) because all attempts to revive the patient have failed can take its toll. Mr Conservation |
In my personal life - none. I cut out anyone I knew playing stupid games long ago.
Professionally - who knows, probably triple digits. Certainly for overdoses, probably for deaths as well. Here’s what the current story is: EVERYTHING has fentanyl in it. Quite literally everything. Makes the high better, no matter what you’re doing. If you are expecting a stimulant - ex, crack, cocaine, whatever - it’s mostly meth. All those pills kids take at music festivals - yep, just meth. Cheaper and easier to manufacture and without the hassle of nutcase Mexican warlords. Same source, China. It screws your brain on the first hit. I know of someone who tried it once, she’s highly educated and successful, decided to do a social experiment...said it was great and wants it every time she hears the word. Hasn’t done it again, but the demon lives in the back of her head now. |
I have a close friend who just came close to death by excessive drinking.
Acute Liver failure was the diagnosis. He isn't drinking as far as I know, but haven't seen him in a while. Lost a few from that years ago , and a couple of suicides as well. I was on the same path 10 years ago , but changed my life around. Condolences to those that have lost friends and family. |
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She says they NIK test everyone's stuff before they shoot it and said 9 out of 10 people that think they are shooting Heroine are actually shooting fentanyl. She adds that the synthetic looks so much like the real Mc.Coy that even seasoned users can't tell the difference. Anyone caught selling that crap deserves anything bad that happens to them, zero sympathy. |
Excellent topic for discussion. We woke up last July to sounds of sirens ,only to find out my next door neighbors son had passed in the night. A boy my sons had chumed with in their youth. Apparently after a serious car accident he got addicted to OxyContin,which was prescribed by his doctor. Then moved on to heroin? Heartbreaking for everyone.
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My fishing partner and is on this forum is a first responder and we talk a bit on some of these calls. I also have a former co worker who lost their teenage son to this crap. Dont get it or understand why there isnt more effort to take out the suppliers etc. but I guess it is what it is. Too bad but even in the 70's in my teen age years I dont recall it quite like this.
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Can someone please explain how all this works?
Is it just added to the different drugs we all know? Or is it a stand alone thing? I was talking with my Son about it tonight. I believe it was a straight forward conversation and he was being straight with me. He says it hasn't hit his school. I find that hard to believe. |
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Fentanyl is an opiate (like heroin) 50X stronger........... They say all heroin these days is cut with (fentanyl) bad stuff...... |
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So, its added to Heroin?
Its not a stand alone type thing? Anything else it is added to? |
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You know, it's not just the illicit street drugs from China that are responsible. People will go many directions to reach endless levels of mind alteration and addiction. From crushing up Tylenol 3 and Ritalin, to drinking hand sanitizer, there are so many easy "options" for the individual looking for escape.
I've even seen people smoking Grandma's prescribed fentanyl patch. Twice in one day. But the opioid crisis has taken so many lives. The real numbers are shocking. Almost unbelievable. I used to have a hard stance and little sympathy as well, saying "to each their own", and "we all choose our own path". From a distance, and if it does not impact you it's easy to come to these conclusions. But now I am honestly just depressed and saddened by this global tragedy, and I have no answers for our youth. |
"DON'T" get on the user, but get on the dealer, like alcohol, don't get on the user, get on the dealer, because they are the root of the problem, so they say!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ACCIDENTS HAPPEN, and the unintended overdose from contamination or ill will or deception is terrible.
Then there are the flatliners who get brought back by EMS and First Responders, only to go do it again next day, or sometimes the same day. In this day of social media, users cannot play dumb to the risks. Heroin users can go on legal lifetime prescription drug treatment if they choose to. Why don't they? Guys looking for a high can get drunk or smoke weed sold by a licenced shop. Why don't they? People who are looking for help with addictions have the easiest time to get help either at an AADAC Office, a safe injection site with professional staff, a Hospital, etc. Why don't they? I feel sorry for the friends and family left behind, but the only thing new about the current situation of drug addiction and abuse is the terminal nature of the current drug of choice. Eliminating the dealers is actually pretty easy. Legalize it and ensure the quality control. But really, what more should we as a Society be expected to do for people who choose to use a dangerous and unknown product where there are so many alternatives? There is a scene from the movie Repo Man. A liquor store robbery goes bad for alot of people including the robber who is shot and dying. He blames Society for who he is and what he does. The reality is it was the robber who set the course of action, and paid the consequences. However, if you are overcome with an urge to apologize, make a difference instead and volunteer on a crisis hotline, or at any number of the Community Outreach Centers like Boyle Street Coop. Some people will make bad choices no matter what anyone tells them not to do. Drewski |
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Yes they "have a hold on me" i guess. Merely sharing my dealings. I bet there are at least 20-25 members of this board that have delt with me, weather it be a wing night, buying/selling, or spending a week in northern sask fishing. I would be suprised if one of them has a negative thing to say towards me? Married happily, four kids, succesful business, house paid for at 40. maybe im trying to save face? Justify my addiction? Just poitning out that there are surcumstances in which a narcotic can be a benefit. I truly feel in this case it is. |
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I was actually at a CCSA conference a few years ago and a social policy analyst made this exact same point. There is a large body of research that would support this type of strategy from a purely harm reduction/public safety point of view. Another contributing factor to this epidemic is that government and the College of Physicians and Surgeons has come down hard on physicians who prescribe opioids. In some cases this is warranted, but it has also put the fear of god into many docs who have been prescribing responsibly. The result is that physicians started cutting off their patients nearly cold turkey which significantly destabilized people and caused many to resort to seeking opioids on the street (one does not stop regular or chronic opioid use quickly). Here's an article that looks into both sides of this strategy. https://healthydebate.ca/personal-he...g-back-opioids Thankfully the pendulum is swinging back to the middle for docs, where there are better policies and training on responsible prescribing, because there is still a need that these medications address. A past psychologist co-worker of mine had severe osteoporosis in his spine and the only way he could function or move was a steady dose of percocet throughout the day. He was an excellent clinician, but after many failed surgeries and other interventions - that medication was the only thing that allowed him to live a more-or-less normal life. |
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You have my deepest condolences. My son is 15 and I can’t imagine what it would be like to lose him. I lost my dad to a drunk driver when I was 16. Loosing one half of a father-son relationship is incredibly difficult. If you ever want to talk, let me know. |
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Terrible , terrible thing it is, my heart goes out to you Cat |
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