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HIGHLANDER HUNTING 05-23-2017 09:43 AM

BHA interview-cue the haters!
 
OK, we just launched our 5th episode of the Highlander Hunting Podcast.
The BHA interview.
Backcountry Hunters and Anglers-Alberta Chapter chairman.

I would encourage anyone who has an opinion on the Castle Wilderness issue to have a listen. I'm sure you will learn something, either confirming your current opinion, or maybe changing your mind, who knows. But we at Highlander Hunting don't have a dog in this race.

This interview was my idea.
Here's my reasoning:
Lots of Americans I have respect for support BHA in their states. Randy Newberg, Remi Warren, Steve Rinella, Aaron Snyder, the list goes on and on. Everything I've heard from them has been a net positive for hunting in the states. Access rights, and boots on the ground habitat work in the Kootenays. So in my mind, having another voice for Hunting and fishing here in Alberta is a good thing.
But, I don't own a OHV right now. I have in the past. I usually don't use one for hunting, but did a few weeks back (thanks Mike!).
So when I think of hunting access, I don't automatically think of OHV riders. But lots of other hunters do.
I just want people to understand the rationale for posting this interview.

Like it or hate it. I hope you're at least entertained.
And we're still waiting for our first hate mail :argue2:
highlanderhuntingpodcast@gmail.com

Cheers,
John McCann

Free download at:

highlanderhunting.podbean.com
Highlander Hunting Podcast on Itunes and Google Play.



So with that in mind, I thought I would at least give the new Alberta chapter a chance to get their message out to our small group of listeners.

Pathfinder76 05-23-2017 09:53 AM

Wouldn't Randy Newberg be apposed to motorized access?

pikergolf 05-23-2017 10:17 AM

Whoa, you guys are going to blow your advertising budget in 2 weeks.

Newview01 05-23-2017 10:40 AM

Doesn't Alberta already have very effective hunting / conservation groups? What will another group achieve that AFGA and Alberta Conservation, among others, will not?

Jjolg123 05-23-2017 10:45 AM

I'd say there will never be enough groups in Alberta to properly voice hunters and anglers voices. Seems when it comes to conservation in Alberta there is as much fighting between fellow hunters as there is with the province

3blade 05-23-2017 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Newview01 (Post 3546143)
Doesn't Alberta already have very effective hunting / conservation groups? What will another group achieve that AFGA and Alberta Conservation, among others, will not?

There's a lot of people, myself included, who feel that the AFGA has become a bloated old boys club that only pursues the agenda of a select few on their executive and doesn't rock the boat. They were at one point an effective voice, and have done some important habitat work.

At the same time, they have repeatedly tried to throw bowhunters under the bus (thanks largely to former AO member sheephumper and his vendetta), they did not lobby for the grizzly hunt or call out the garbage science conducted by golder and provincial bios despite knowing full well what was going on. They don't call out APOS on the multitude of issues in that group. They certainly do not oppose the endless treaty-rights based slaughter going on. Kananaskis. Rock lake. Landowner tags. Bison hunting going native only. Etc, etc, etc.

I can keep going all day, point is I don't trust the AFGA and when I see BHA, I see a group that has put foot to highly connected political arse and made a huge difference for regular hunters.

HIGHLANDER HUNTING 05-23-2017 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 3546120)
Wouldn't Randy Newberg be apposed to motorized access?

Not sure, but he supports BHA.
Think he was using a side by side on one of his shows.

HIGHLANDER HUNTING 05-23-2017 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pikergolf (Post 3546135)
Whoa, you guys are going to blow your advertising budget in 2 weeks.

Lots of post, point taken.
We just thought this is a great way to connect with likeminded individuals. Or at least Alberta hunters anyway.

HIGHLANDER HUNTING 05-23-2017 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jjolg123 (Post 3546145)
I'd say there will never be enough groups in Alberta to properly voice hunters and anglers voices. Seems when it comes to conservation in Alberta there is as much fighting between fellow hunters as there is with the province

I sure seems that way.

HIGHLANDER HUNTING 05-23-2017 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3blade (Post 3546162)
There's a lot of people, myself included, who feel that the AFGA has become a bloated old boys club that only pursues the agenda of a select few on their executive and doesn't rock the boat. They were at one point an effective voice, and have done some important habitat work.

At the same time, they have repeatedly tried to throw bowhunters under the bus (thanks largely to former AO member sheephumper and his vendetta), they did not lobby for the grizzly hunt or call out the garbage science conducted by golder and provincial bios despite knowing full well what was going on. They don't call out APOS on the multitude of issues in that group. They certainly do not oppose the endless treaty-rights based slaughter going on. Kananaskis. Rock lake. Landowner tags. Bison hunting going native only. Etc, etc, etc.

I can keep going all day, point is I don't trust the AFGA and when I see BHA, I see a group that has put foot to highly connected political arse and made a huge difference for regular hunters.

I know nothing about AFGA. Would be happy to interview them tho.

I have spoke to ACA people, they seem similar to BHA from what I could tell. But I could be wrong.

Echo-Gecko 05-23-2017 01:44 PM

Good interview guys.

oiler_nation 05-23-2017 02:10 PM

Great podcast, guys.

It was particularly nice to hear some rational and thoughtful discussion with respect to the Castle issue.....something that has been lacking from much of the discourse previously posted on the subject.

I would definitely make a point to go back and give the previous episodes a listen.

HIGHLANDER HUNTING 05-23-2017 09:20 PM

Thank you guys,
Next episodes will be about rifle/cartridge/bullet selection, then onto optics selection, and then overnight backcountry gear you want in your backpacks to name a few. Stay tuned!

3blade 05-23-2017 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HIGHLANDER HUNTING (Post 3546189)
I know nothing about AFGA. Would be happy to interview them tho.

I have spoke to ACA people, they seem similar to BHA from what I could tell. But I could be wrong.

Don't mind the derail. There's a lot of history with some people/groups.

Enjoyed the podcast. Keep up the good work

SLH 05-24-2017 07:14 AM

Haven't listened to it yet but have it loaded for today at work.

Just noticed on their facebook page a job posting however for Alberta Public Lands Coordinator.

There has been a chapter for a couple months and I can only assume membership at less than 100. The article goes on in great detail about what they want to do. How is this possible? How who or where is the funding coming from?

Good luck with the podcast, stay true and you'll be fine.

Joe Black 05-24-2017 09:59 AM

they did say that they(BHA) are publicly listed as a partner of Y2Y.

that says enough for me. Stopped listening after that.

HIGHLANDER HUNTING 05-24-2017 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLH (Post 3546593)
Haven't listened to it yet but have it loaded for today at work.

Just noticed on their facebook page a job posting however for Alberta Public Lands Coordinator.

There has been a chapter for a couple months and I can only assume membership at less than 100. The article goes on in great detail about what they want to do. How is this possible? How who or where is the funding coming from?

Good luck with the podcast, stay true and you'll be fine.

That's a good question. They're having pub nights in various cities this week. Personally, I'm going to stop in at the Calgary one tonight. I'll ask that question.
Cheers.
John

HIGHLANDER HUNTING 05-24-2017 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Black (Post 3546688)
they did say that they(BHA) are publicly listed as a partner of Y2Y.

that says enough for me. Stopped listening after that.

That's fair. Thanks for giving our podcast a listen. Most episodes will be covering actual hunting and not politics.

Cheers.
John

Joe Black 05-24-2017 01:46 PM

good job on asking relevant questions. no fake news here.

CF8889 05-24-2017 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLH (Post 3546593)

Just noticed on their facebook page a job posting however for Alberta Public Lands Coordinator.

There has been a chapter for a couple months and I can only assume membership at less than 100. The article goes on in great detail about what they want to do. How is this possible? How who or where is the funding coming from?

I am guessing it's been paid for from the head office + a portion of the alberta membership fees. The position is only 20hours a week and I'll bet they don't pay a high wage. For an organization of their size..it's a small investment to try and get their name out and grow as an alberta chapter.

crazy_davey 05-24-2017 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Black (Post 3546688)
they did say that they(BHA) are publicly listed as a partner of Y2Y.

that says enough for me. Stopped listening after that.

Nice to see someone who isn't a sheep.

walking buffalo 05-24-2017 06:56 PM

Just warm beer talk....

Has BHA Alberta or the US branches ever received funds from or given funds to Y2Y?

Has the BHA Alberta chapter received funding from non-membership dues for the purpose of promoting the Y2Y objective?

American BHA chapters have received money for the purpose of promoting Y2Y.
That might explain the partnership down south.

Funny how money can have influence....

3blade 05-24-2017 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by walking buffalo (Post 3547100)
Just warm beer talk....

Has BHA Alberta or the US branches ever received funds from or given funds to Y2Y?

Has the BHA Alberta chapter received funding from non-membership dues for the purpose of promoting the Y2Y objective?

American BHA chapters have received money for the purpose of promoting Y2Y.
That might explain the partnership down south.

Funny how money can have influence....

Source? I guessing you have done some digging since the other thread...

walking buffalo 05-24-2017 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3blade (Post 3547119)
Source? I guessing you have done some digging since the other thread...

A quick search led to some information directly from those who gave the money.

I would like for BHA and their supporters to provide the information and reasoning for accepting the funds.

waterninja 05-24-2017 07:58 PM

The link provided did not work for me. Can someone else please post another? Would really like to know the details of what your all talking about. Thanks.

alta270 05-24-2017 08:46 PM

I hear a lot of concern and angst with the Y2Y initiative, but no one has outlined why. I looked at their hunting and fishing policy, and I see no issues with it.

https://y2y.net/about-us/policies/y2...chterm=HUNTING

Can someone advise why this is a problem?

catnthehat 05-24-2017 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alta270 (Post 3547183)
I hear a lot of concern and angst with the Y2Y initiative, but no one has outlined why. I looked at their hunting and fishing policy, and I see no issues with it.

https://y2y.net/about-us/policies/y2...chterm=HUNTING

Can someone advise why this is a problem?

The main concern I have heard and read is that the policy recognizes indigenous hunting trapping and fishing rights only and does not mention non indigenous peoples' rights
Cat

Newview01 05-24-2017 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by walking buffalo (Post 3547129)
A quick search led to some information directly from those who gave the money.

I would like for BHA and their supporters to provide the information and reasoning for accepting the funds.

Good luck.

3blade 05-24-2017 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alta270 (Post 3547183)
I hear a lot of concern and angst with the Y2Y initiative, but no one has outlined why. I looked at their hunting and fishing policy, and I see no issues with it.

https://y2y.net/about-us/policies/y2...chterm=HUNTING

Can someone advise why this is a problem?

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showt...=59209&page=3#

Post #63

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/in...?topic=93185.0

Above we can see where the lobo watch guy catches them and forces a rather quick change in policy wording vs the one you linked

sjd 05-24-2017 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catnthehat (Post 3547187)
The main concern I have heard and read is that the policy recognizes indigenous hunting trapping and fishing rights only and does not mention non indigenous peoples' rights
Cat

I think you misread the 4 bullets here. The first bullet refers to aboriginal treaty rights the next 3 bullets clearly refer to non aboriginal hunting.


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