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tool 05-25-2020 12:12 PM

Are .50 cals prohibited yet?
 
Had a discussion this morning with a friend regarding the likes of the .50 BMG rifles. Are they prohibited in Trudeau’s new decree? Do they exceed the new maximum energy rule?

Hawkeye 05-25-2020 12:30 PM

They certainly exceed the 20 mm bore rule and as such, are prohibited.

Dick284 05-25-2020 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye (Post 4175843)
They certainly exceed the 20 mm bore rule and as such, are prohibited.

.50 Cal is 12.7mm!?!?!:snapoutofit:

But it sure as heck surpasses the 10000 Jules rule!

Prohibited as of May1,2020!

mjohn7 05-25-2020 01:46 PM

Prohibited
 
The 50 BMG as well as the 460 WBY Mag are both Prohibited.
Over 20 mm & over 10000 Joules.
:sign0161:

tool 05-25-2020 02:02 PM

I get the 10,000 joules part but they can’t be over 20mm bore size?


Where and why did they come up with this 10,000 joules thing anyway?

58thecat 05-25-2020 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tool (Post 4175878)
I get the 10,000 joules part but they can’t be over 20mm bore size?


Where and why did they come up with this 10,000 joules thing anyway?

pulled it out of their butts just like the rest of their guns that are banned.....

IronNoggin 05-25-2020 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tool (Post 4175878)
Where and why did they come up with this 10,000 joules thing anyway?

Sufficient to penetrate the light armor preferred by UN Blue Helmets.
Reality.

Nog

tool 05-25-2020 03:01 PM

So why can’t you just load some light .50 BMG rounds or whatever such as to not exceed 10,000 joules of energy and keep your rifle?

I’m assuming the 10,000 joules is measured at the muzzle?

elkhunter11 05-25-2020 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mjohn7 (Post 4175871)
The 50 BMG as well as the 460 WBY Mag are both Prohibited.
Over 20 mm & over 10000 Joules.
:sign0161:

Neither is over 20mm.

Hawkeye 05-25-2020 03:49 PM

my bad!
Sorry for the misquote about the .50 being over 20 mm...….
That was NOT intentional!

Grizzly Adams 05-25-2020 03:50 PM

Pity the poor bugger who paid big bucks for the one in the Olds sale.

Grizz

bobtodrick 05-25-2020 04:06 PM

It’s just so ridiculous. Has anyone in North America committed a crime with a .50 BMG?

fps plus 05-25-2020 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bobtodrick (Post 4175937)
It’s just so ridiculous. Has anyone in North America committed a crime with a .50 BMG?

I bet someone was speeding whilst texting with their 50cal in the vehicle

icehunter 05-25-2020 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tool (Post 4175900)
So why can’t you just load some light .50 BMG rounds or whatever such as to not exceed 10,000 joules of energy and keep your rifle?

I’m assuming the 10,000 joules is measured at the muzzle?

Because it states "is capable of" If its over 20mm and/or can exceed the 10,ooo joule rule she is now prohib.

tool 05-25-2020 06:25 PM

Look at the size of a 3” Shotgun case? I’m sure someone could make a shell that would hold enough powder to do 10,000 joules with a big foster slug or whatever??

Canadian gun laws never have made sense but it seems it gets worse every day.

SnipeHunter 05-25-2020 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tool (Post 4176009)
Look at the size of a 3” Shotgun case? I’m sure someone could make a shell that would hold enough powder to do 10,000 joules with a big foster slug or whatever??

Canadian gun laws never have made sense but it seems it gets worse every day.

Already been done.

The use of the word 'capable' deliberately broad to allow arbitrary reclassifications in future. The word 'capable' was central to R. v Hasselwander. Hopefully this is challenged for 10 kJ criterion and struck down as overally broad. Do they mean design, proof or burst load? With barrel installed or capable of being equipped with a barrel?

tool 05-25-2020 07:46 PM

So what if somebody invents a hotter powder or propellant of a different kind?

.22LR or some other small caliber rifle could produce 10,000 joules in theory.

(For conversation sake atleast)

So if .50 BMG is banned isn’t that an ammunition ban and not necessarily a “gun ban”?

freeride 05-25-2020 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tool (Post 4176051)
So what if somebody invents a hotter powder or propellant of a different kind?

.22LR or some other small caliber rifle could produce 10,000 joules in theory.

(For conversation sake atleast)

So if .50 BMG is banned isn’t that an ammunition ban and not necessarily a “gun ban”?

I see what your saying. And dont worry they said the ammo is banned as well.
They listed a lot of 50 cal models in the ban specifically as well. So no getting around it by loading up your trail boss loads with those. Lol

DiabeticKripple 05-25-2020 10:43 PM

they even prohibited the 408 and 375 cheytac round too, only really used for target shooting.

freeride 05-25-2020 10:51 PM

Nvm

DiabeticKripple 05-25-2020 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by freeride (Post 4176151)
I know the 375 cheytac is or can be over that limit. Just look up factory ammo for it , comes in at 7563 ft lbs for one I saw. 10,000 joules is only 7375 ft lbs.

yup i accidentally got ft lb and J mixed up. my bad.

freeride 05-25-2020 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple (Post 4176152)
yup i accidentally got ft lb and J mixed up. my bad.

Figured after you edited your post

LKP.80cal 05-25-2020 11:25 PM

Gonna get rid of all the rounds that can reach out and give him a kiss.

huntinstuff 05-26-2020 09:50 AM

Its only banned if.you allow it to be


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