Unpleasant time at the range
Well, I was at the range today hoping to have some time to work on a load I am trying to develop. The only bench available was between 2 other shooters so I set up. To my surprise both these shooters were using brakes on their rifles. I had never been that close to a braked rifle and I got to say it was not pleasant at all.
a) the noise was unbelievably loud and startling b) the shock wave or the air that blew back and to the side was unreal. There should be a special place for these guys to shoot. Needless to say I shot a few rounds , confirmed zero for one group of bullets and left. From this experience, I don't think I would consider a break. |
Been in that same place. Guy with a .338 WM and brake next to me actually blew stuff off his bench, and made my brass roll. I had to leave. They have put up some plexi barriers since, but I won't shoot if there are any muzzle brakes at the range. Even double plugged it's punishing. Hate them.
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To bad it was unpleasant but seems the guys were at the right place on the range. Maybe the range should put brakes on the right or left etc.
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Neither of these guys had plexiglass between. I think there should be plexiglass between every bench no matter what. Just my opinion.
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It sucks for people to the side of a braked rifle way way more then it does for the shooter.
The concussion goes out the sides and then back, with the air blast MOSTLY missing the shooter. So don't let that part turn you off brakes. But yes they suck for others at the range, and some common curiosity can go a long ways. Just like a guy with a sks sitting down to my left then raining hot brass on me. Or someone desciding to also use my target when I am trying different loads. |
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If the blast missed the shooter entirely, I wouldn't need both plugs and muffs to shoot my braked rifles comfortably with the brakes installed. And with the braked 50BMG that I fired, I could feel the concussive force on the left side of my body. As to idiots bouncing cases off of other shooters, we give them one warning at our range, they don't get a second warning. |
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I had a gopro video of my old 3 gill brake and you could see the concussion come out and down and miss the shooter behind the rifle. Still a lot louder, but the MAIN air blast misses. Just next time you shoot, shoot prone and watch the dust, its not coming up from beside your head as much as it is all around you. Its still a /\ shape with the shooter in the bottom center of the V. Or stand directly behind the shooter, vs beside. Beside sucks, you feel it in your chest. My radial braked rifle is absurdly loud now, and I wear plugs and muffs for it. And they are for me when shooting alone. |
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I also shoot my precision rigs with brakes. Yes, I felt the concussion (all of us were prone shooting). I would just pause between my shots. It didn’t always work out, but it didn’t really upset my rhythm. The only issue was my LabRadar going off when it wasn’t me shooting. It can be done. (And no, I’m not trying to start any arguments.) |
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I don't enjoy the range when there a braked rifle anywhere in the shack. If you so unfortunate to be beside a braked rifle ..... well we all know how that goes and chasing the stuff rolling off the table (notebook, pen, gloves, whatever) is annoying.
I realize some people benefit from the recoil reduction on bigger cartridges, but when I see moderate to low recoil rifles braked, right or wrong, I question why. If you are shooting a 6.5 Creedmoor, or a 308 what is the benefit of a brake? Not trying to poop on guys using a brake - I just don't understand the benefit of it as you are not going to hold a sight picture (as there is still enough recoil in those moderate cartridges) and the noise is shockingly loud and could be a hazard to you (and others). So why? |
Almost lost my temper with a jerk on Med Hat range the other day. Apparently he's well known for doing whatever he pleases on this range and the only reason I didn't take him on verbally was I was guesting..
I'm 4th bench in from the left side working with my 7's. In comes donkey boy and where does he set up with his braked, ugly pos? Bench immediately to my left. Not 2 benches or 3 benches left. Right beside me. With his spotter on the bench to HIS left...where HE should have been perched. Amazing how quickly you can annoy a range slob beside you though. Once I figured out his shot cadence I started timing my shots to coincide with a split second before most of his trigger pulls to throw him off his game. Wasnt even concentrating on my targets. Sorry dude but I really did enjoy watching your cheezy Wyatt Earp mustache curl after the 4th, along with your early departure a few shots later. We could have played the game all afternoon. I had a pile of loads and plenty of rifles to work with. Was just about to move to the table on your left after you put your spotter away. I've got beauty electors on the one 7 and could have bounced a few off your noggin from 4 feet with a little practice. |
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Braked rifles made me give up my range memberships. More often than not, I had to deal with them, and it took any fun/unwinding out of my trip to the range. I too have had many encounters with guys plunking down next to me, as well as SKS shooters raining brass on me.
I understand brakes, and don’t begrudge people using them, but the onus should be on them to be respectful of others, not vice versa. I strongly feel ranges should have designated benches for braked rifles. You only have one set of hearing. |
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:sHa_sarcasticlol: Obviously unlike you I dont tolerate entitled jerks like this one, well known to "do whatever he wants to do" according to other members at this range at the time. That doesn't work for me anywhere in life's goings on. I'm the most courteous person you could likely meet...to courteous people. Break that rule and I push back. Every single time. Unfortunate that some have had to sacrifice their own enjoyment because of people like this one. I'm not anti brake. Just practice being courteous when using one and keep your distance from other shooters whenever possible. In this case there were lots of other benches open other than the one right beside me and I was in place shooting 30 minutes before donkey boy showed up. |
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I will say it again, it is very easy to avoid this. Designate a few benches as braked rifle benches. Then they have to sit at those benches, and if the only bench open is the one next to them, then I guess you wait. That is the ONLY thing that would avoid the guy sitting down next to you with his braked rifle when there are other benches open. It is quite simple. As it is, all your rule does is leave it open to interpretation, and pizzing matches on the line. And yes, I have seen them. |
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He had more right to be at the range yep. Not to be a jerk but, I paid to be there too. He didn't have the right to do what he did. Had 4 other benches he could have used where he wouldn't have bothered anyone. Thats what courteous ppl would have done. At my range he would have been asked/told to move since he was last to show. Think of it as the highway. Truckers pay more than I do to drive them. Doesn't give them the right to throw common sense and courtesy out the window. Besides, I didn't do anything wrong and didn't have to get into a verbal confrontation. No rules against touching off a shot just prior to others doing so. He obviously lacked concentration powers. |
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those breaks have a purpose for the shooter but man ya gotta think about others if near is all....not really hard to do. |
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I hear ya about setting up ranges to accommodate all types of shooters but some just never get it and will do as they wish...sad but true. |
So did anyone go up to any of these people and try to respectfully explain your issues in hopes of working out a solution? If the person is a jerk after attempting this go ahead be chocked and do as you need to after this
The problem with most issues theses days people don’t even attempt to work out the situation. Instead they grumble to themselves, complain to others later or post it on the internet. None of these options solve anything. Some people are just disrespectful but others are actually oblivious that they are causing others grief because no one speaks up. Speak up without being a jerk and see where it goes. You might find a reasonable compromise. If not you will know the guy is a jerk. You can then blow off some steam and make sure he knows he is an idiot at least People seem to have forgotten how to work out their issues |
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As for people being intimidated I may never understand this because I was raised to deal with my issues if I want to see them change. 9 times out of 10 things are sorted out without any confrontation as long as you approach things with a reasonable attitude so I don’t see the need for feeling intimidated either Maybe I just have a different mind set then most but I don’t get those that are bothered by others and don’t try to sort it out |
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