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gloszz 11-14-2017 10:41 PM

Testing meat
 
Just wanted to ask anyone if it is possible to get meat here tested after I dress it. I know my friends in Poland send their meat to the vet and have it tested for a few zloty ( few dollars). Is it possible to test deer meat here? I wanted to give some away to friends but they will not take it unless it is tested....:angry3:

Secondly, I have seen hogs this year and want to shoot one but apparently that should be tested as well.

So should I send it to a vet or call U of A? What do you guys do/ think?

TIA

spellswrong 11-14-2017 10:52 PM

testing for what? if you're in a CWD area you can drop off a sample at one of the freezers located around the province and it will be tested for free. The reason you would have pigs tested is to check for trichinosis dont waste your money just cook the pork through like you would normally. I think the internal temp has to hit 170 but I could easily be wrong so do a quick search.

PM me the location of said pigs and Ill come out and we can take a look at them together...make sure they're safe

Nyksta 11-15-2017 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by gloszz (Post 3667754)
Just wanted to ask anyone if it is possible to get meat here tested after I dress it. I know my friends in Poland send their meat to the vet and have it tested for a few zloty ( few dollars). Is it possible to test deer meat here? I wanted to give some away to friends but they will not take it unless it is tested....:angry3:

Secondly, I have seen hogs this year and want to shoot one but apparently that should be tested as well.

So should I send it to a vet or call U of A? What do you guys do/ think?

TIA

If your friends are that nervous about trusting wild game against their usual grocery store meat then dont pressure them. They arent going to appreciate it for what it is.

sns2 11-15-2017 06:46 AM

Feed it to them and don't tell em what they are eating. I've done it for decades.

Full Curl Earl 11-15-2017 08:41 AM

Testing
 
I am also unsure what you would be "testing" for other than CWD?
A veterinary office would not have the equipment to test. I suppose you could take the carcass to a butcher for a visual assessment?
It's an odd request for your friends to ask that? Does beef get tested at the packers?

covey ridge 11-15-2017 09:18 AM

I would think that any game living in nature would be healthier than livestock raised in a feed lot.

I would never gift game to anyone suspicious of its quality.

calgarychef 11-15-2017 09:29 AM

It's common in the European countries to get game tested. We don't do it here and seem to suffer few if any ill effects.

I'd say go ahead and eat your meat yourself and let your friends buy from the store.

Dick284 11-15-2017 09:31 AM

Check the heart, lungs, and liver for any abnormalities.(bumps, lumps, discolouration)[blown up from bullet impact aside]

What else is there to check?

Come to think of it, did you ever ask what the slaughter house meat inspector "checks" for? There are no lab tests unless there's something suspicious.

Drake slayer 11-15-2017 09:42 AM

Let them test the food in the store they might get a good shock.

Redfrog 11-15-2017 10:39 AM

testing or inspection? IF I bring a beef or a 10 chickens in for slaughter they are 'gov't inspected" I don't think they do any actual lab testing.

At home when I process my own game, it is always lab tested. It really gives him gas but he seems to enjoy it.:) Often my big tabby 'Tucker ' will come I for a cat scan as well. When he is done I give him a scrap or two for his efforts.

wildwoods 11-15-2017 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by sns2 (Post 3667821)
Feed it to them and don't tell em what they are eating. I've done it for decades.

Hahaha yup me too!

wildwoods 11-15-2017 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by covey ridge (Post 3667912)
I would think that any game living in nature would be healthier than livestock raised in a feed lot.

I would never gift game to anyone suspicious of its quality.

This^^^^^ All.Day.Long.

katts69 11-15-2017 09:56 PM

Man you ask some stupid questions. If they can’t except it for what it is, keep it for yourself.

Bub 11-15-2017 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Redfrog (Post 3667974)
At home when I process my own game, it is always lab tested. It really gives him gas but he seems to enjoy it.:) Often my big tabby 'Tucker ' will come I for a cat scan as well. When he is done I give him a scrap or two for his efforts.

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JWCalgary 11-16-2017 07:28 PM

May be interesting....

It may be interesting to have game meat tested by a food lab. Aside from cwd. I wonder sometimes if there is weird stuff in game meat....then again, it would probably cost a small fortune to satisfy some "way out there" thoughts.

Wonder why Europe does it and what they find.... sounds like a make work project.



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JWCalgary 11-16-2017 07:29 PM

Ps: please post location of said hogs :)

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Chief16 11-17-2017 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by covey ridge (Post 3667912)
I would think that any game living in nature would be healthier than livestock raised in a feed lot.

I would never gift game to anyone suspicious of its quality.

Why would you think that? Lack of vaccines? Lack of disease treatment? Lack of a high quality, formulated diet?

covey ridge 11-17-2017 09:41 AM

I think that game living in nature would gravitate to food that they were designed to eat. I think that in nature for the most part the stronger and healthier or fitter will survive to breed. I think that we were designed to eat food that is found in nature.

I think that in order to feed the masses we have resorted to eating meat produced in the most unnatural conditions and feed food to these animals that is not natural in quality and amount. I think that animals kept in crowded and unnatural conditions will be obese and sick and need to be medicated to survive. Feed lot animals do not need to be fit to survive to old age but just made to survive long enough to allow the processor to claim them rather than the disease they have developed.

As far as special diet for these food animals I see nothing special about animals that live with chronic diarrhoea and display symptoms of many metabolic diseases. I blame their forced formulated diet.

I do not think that vaccines, disease treatment or a formulated diet is required or desired to create healthy food.

All that said, I have developed a taste for AAA beef, but I do not fool myself that it is optimum for good health.

Chief16 11-17-2017 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by covey ridge (Post 3669354)
I think that game living in nature would gravitate to food that they were designed to eat. I think that in nature for the most part the stronger and healthier or fitter will survive to breed. I think that we were designed to eat food that is found in nature.

I think that in order to feed the masses we have resorted to eating meat produced in the most unnatural conditions and feed food to these animals that is not natural in quality and amount. I think that animals kept in crowded and unnatural conditions will be obese and sick and need to be medicated to survive. Feed lot animals do not need to be fit to survive to old age but just made to survive long enough to allow the processor to claim them rather than the disease they have developed.

As far as special diet for these food animals I see nothing special about animals that live with chronic diarrhoea and display symptoms of many metabolic diseases. I blame their forced formulated diet.

I do not think that vaccines, disease treatment or a formulated diet is required or desired to create healthy food.

All that said, I have developed a taste for AAA beef, but I do not fool myself that it is optimum for good health.

I have just bolded somethings that I would disagree with or like you to further explain on. I am not saying you are wrong and this is an open forum where opinions are not right or wrong but I think that if you are going to make claims against farmers that put food on people's plate 3 times a day, and allow us onto their land to hunt (considering this is in the hunting thread), these claims should be based on fact.

Obese cows do not reproduce as well, so not only would decrease production and therefore cost money, but cows that are open are usually shipped and would not be in the herd. Animals that are sick do not gain as well (assuming we are talking about beef now) so keeping animals from being sick is priority. Obese cows also have a greater risk of dystocia which can lead to production losses as well.

Processing facilities are inspected by a veterinarian and sick animals with any carcass concerns are condemned. This means that processors do not want sick animals as it costs everyone money.

What are symptoms you are talking to and what are these various metabolic diseases that you claim they have?

In my opinion, food is either safe for you or it is not. We are very lucky here to have good food security because of the CFIA, consumer demand etc.

Most of the things above are economical issues but there is a large amount of pride in the farming community and most producers want their animals looking good, feeling good etc. and just have the best herd in general.

Now I am not saying that none of these things happen in the industry when they obviously do. However, I think that these adverse events are outliers and people do everything they can to keep their animals healthy.

Sorry if this goes to a bit of a thread derail, I just thought that I should bring this up. Once again, these are just my opinions and I appreciate the chance of this forum to discuss these!

covey ridge 11-17-2017 11:40 AM

I am not making claims against farmers that put food on my table. I am suggesting that there is nothing healthy about crowded feed lot operations.


We see so many cows with diarrhea and chit all over them that we think it is healthy and normal.
If a human had a perpetual snotty nose we would assume an infection.
If a human had either one of these symptoms we would know there is something wrong.

We like the taste of beef fat so much that we think morbidly obese animals are OK. It is good for the industry that sells by the pound. If a human had the same percentage of obesity, one could almost bet on diabetes, fatty liver disease, coronary artery disease, inflammation, arthritis, high blood pressure etc. It is fortunate that these animals are slaughtered in their youth because to allow them to live to old age would be down right cruel.

I realize that with our population and need to feed the many there may be not much alternative for a meat eating population.

I think that cows are probably healthier as food before they get to the feeding operations.

This thread was started by the suggestion that some would like their gifted meat tested. If one does not appreciate the superior quality of healthy game meat, they do not deserve the gift.

Smokinyotes 11-17-2017 03:19 PM

I’m not going to comment on this a whole lot but when crops are sprayed with round up the cattle are kept off of it. The deer and elk will be feeding on it that night. I know which meat I would rather consume.

Jay Kyle 11-17-2017 03:59 PM

I have a friend who's a retired federal meat inspector. He tells me for pork they biopsy tissue near the joints (I think) and look with a microscope for trichinosis - much like a vet.


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