Primer Storage
After a month in Palm Springs I returned to break-in a new 308 Win barrel with 8 cartridges I loaded just before leaving. They all went bang ... I loaded up a couple of groups the next morning, off to the Range ....every one failed to fire. Took them apart, reloaded from a different pack of primers (from the same brick), back to the Range ... clicks. Today tried some loads left over from a rifle I sold and they all went bang. No doubt something that happened while they were in storage killed the primers...the (partial) brick was stored in a metal container in a cool room while I was away. I have stored primers in the same location for years. Never had a problem before. CCI BR-2’s. Any ideas?
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Not off the top of my head, just used some that are nearly 30 yrs old, no issues with them. I have heard stories of some new formula primers having compounds that do break down in a shorter time span, can't remember what they were supposed to be though. No idea if they are truth or fiction.
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These could be 5-6 years old ... I had a couple of bricks and these are the last of that batch. What is strange is that they were viable to the end of Dec and those loaded into cartridges worked...but those left in their packages inside the brick box went bad. There could have been some temperature variation in the room during the cold snap, but the cold room never froze.
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Hard to say what the deal is, I store all my primers in plastic storage containers with air tight lids then inside a steel lock box, have never had a problem with any of them, got some that are at least 10 years old.
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Seems odd
Seems odd.
But i never store primers in metal storage containers, such as military ammo crates. I just always felt they were prone to holding dampness which is why so many are rusted when you get them. No evidence but a suspicion. I vacuum seal each 100 pack and put them back into the bricks. So far so good, have some that are 15 years old. |
More like that the firing pin is fouled a bit and not hitting hard enough.
Unless the primers are stored under water they should be fine. |
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Tomorrow will try a new batch of primers and get the firing pin mechanism cleaned up. And, in the future will use a plastic container...makes sense. |
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I've seen a pretty good dent on primers that failed to fire. I pulled the firing pin and cleaned the crap off of it and had no misfires since. |
I had the same problem with one of my target rifles, took the bolt apart completely, and cleaned thoroughly.
Put it back together again and used the misfired ammo in it- BANG! Some of the primers had deep dents on them, but the firing pin was hitting them too slowly. had the same issue with a '996 Mauser years ago, as well. Cat |
I store mine in an old file cabinet I have never had a problem and I have some really old primers 20-25 years old. I agree with Cat and others I would look at the firing pin, also IF? they have changed the go bang mixture in the primers they MAY? need a sharper crack to get them to go bang....dang lawyers.....:scared:
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Primers don't go from working to not in a month unless something really odd happened to them like sitting under water for a week, and even then most of them would go bang. I have primers that are over 40 years old and loaded ammo a lot older than that. They all still go bang just fine. I would be looking at other causes.
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Was it a much colder day or rifle sat outside longer causing the oil viscosity to increase slowing down the firing pin?
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Andrew, temp would not have been a factor. |
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I store ,my primers on a shelf, in the cardboard/plastic containers they come in. I am still using some primers that are well over ten years old, with no issues at all.
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Bolt disassembled, pin protrusion measured ... all good. Tried some NK sized only brass which should have closed a bit of headspace and only 1/3 went bang. Now thinking either headspace or mechanical so will run back to smith tomorrow. Thanks to all for your trouble shooting ideas. I’m still learning!!
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Are those neck sized only cases a little stiff to close on the bolt? If they are, the primers should ignite i suspect. And if so, your reloading practices may be the culprit. Are they a standard die you purchased new?
Rifle headspace checked out, so could be the case spacing. Keep us updated. |
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Very similar with me also. Loading dozens and dozens of rounds for my .243 in Browning B78 for load work up and general shooting. CCI Large Rifle primers No.200, box of 1000. Have about 300 or so left, loading up some with Barnes bullets for my M70 Winchester .270, 40-50% don’t fire, significant dent in primer. Fact I’ve loaded .270 then .243 with same batch from same 100 lot. Not 1 misfire with .243. Off to the Smith here in Kamloops and Steve Jennings said nope nothing wrong with .270. Even showed him dented rounds and his feeling was faulty primers... once I explained the above he said John, I’ve seen a few unexplainable things over the years and this happens to be another one with primers. Just happy I was at the range for misfires.... and only 300 left Ican live with replacing them with different brand. Last bunch I used I think were Federals. What about Mag pistol primers in my long guns? I’ve a ton of those as I don’t pack my .44 S&W 629 for work anymore... sigh let the permit to carry lapse years ago now, dang in retro spect.... oh well. Any suggestions on primers appreciated Fellas. Thx j |
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I don’t suspect my reloading or dies as I have reloaded thousands of 308 rounds ... and what I thought at first blush made sense at the time, but now...not so much. I previously had two different barrels on this action (30-284 and 6.5SLR) with no misfires. Will be sure to report back when the riddle is solved.
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The other thing worth checking is to make sure the sear is completely releasing when u pull the trigger. European and old style triggers had over travel to ensure a clean and complete release. In today's world where the fashion is to have no over travel you can also get sear drag which causes the firing pin to leave a good dent but to have insufficient velocity to fire off the primer properly. It gives the same outcome as a weak firing pin spring but due to drag.
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One way to test if it's the primers vs the rifle would be to pick up a box or two of cheap ppi or federal ball ammo and just have fun with some pop cans. See if you get any misfired from them.
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