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The majority of these criminals are well known to police and repeat offenders. In fact (contrary to what you want to hear), that is why alot of the response times are not as quick as you would like. Wouldn't you get fed up catching the same person over and over again, only to see them released with a slap on the wrist. Did you know that some criminals will actually time their crimes/captures so they can get a warm bed/meal during the winters. There is no FEAR of going to jail. That is what is wrong. |
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Understood. However, I never said, nor meant to convey, that rural people don't have reason for concern about crime, just as anyone who lives anywhere has. But that's no reason to take a bad idea and implement it. Having amateurs trying to stop and take down "criminals" they believe might have broken into a house is a recipe for disaster, and at the very least, mistrials. |
Sumbags have no right people none they lose that right when they victimize you!
Its has some good thoughts Raab but your fighting a losing battle here some of these fellers can't see beyond what needs to be done to help change the deterrence on scumbags victmizing innocent people! I agree on the support but how things are going with the laws and what i have been told personally by the RCMP that there hands are tied to really make a difference on crime when they just keep letting them out and most of the scumbags get more violent in there crimes. We are all better off with just helping your neighbours and family by standing strong and dealing with the scum that's out there to victimize you. No one will ever tell me that i have no right to protect my family or my property NO ONE! A shovel with no story would help this rule crime spree. I would sleep like a rock for the rest of my life if i had to take drastic measures to protect myself or some one else confronting scumbags that will harm me that would be their choice first and that would seal there fate. Im just saying we all have a choice Stay safe people
I vote carry a big stick and walk softly, X2 Originally Posted by Smokinyotes I dont think a volunteer force is the answer. If RCMP actually came when first called this would help rural crime but the real deterrent would be if home owners could start gut shooting some of these thugs or chopping hands off would be a real deterrent...... Something tells me that could work Smokinyotes lol:thinking-006: |
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As I said we need to do something or some innocent farmer is going to end up in jail for shooting a crackhead. You yourself said these people could be(IMO ARE) dangerous, and youre alright leaving people alone waiting 40 minutes for a police officer to respond. Give you head a shake man. Now whether they're volunteers or paid on call (meaning they get paid a small amount for hours on call and full wages when they get called out) they would still have all the training a peace officer in Alberta receives. Only difference is they would specialize in apprehension and S&R. I know a few farmers around my place who are ex military. They're already talking about how we solve this issue. |
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I live in central alberta east. People are fed up with the crime and I think it's just a matter of time till someone takes the law into their own hands. Police are basically nowhere to be seen and response times are ridiculous. I little more patrol time would definitely help. If the cops would get out at night and patrol the small towns and pull over the odd guy late at night on the highways I'm sure they would be stumble upon the odd criminal. You see them make a pass thru town at 3pm on a Sunday...never at night. I'm not sure what the logic is. Alot of people out here have given up on the police and are talking crazy about vigilante type action and I hardly blame them. Sad state of affairs.
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You sir.. Need to give your head a shake, and think about the logistics of what you are talking about. If the appearance of authority is all you are wanting, why not create that now? Why does there have to be any training/guns/etc? You're just looking for an excuse to open carry. If your neighbors are actually ex-military, why not create a patrol? Throw a sign on the car that is patrolling, and drive around 24/7, take turns, showing presence. (I know that doesn't play into your agenda, but that alone would reduce your neighborhood crime) |
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You're still comparing apples to oranges.. What you are talking about is if you saw the arsonist leaving the scene. But I don't know any firefighter that would chase down the arsonist vs put out the fire. Ok.. who pays? We already pay for LEO's out of our taxes. Here's an idea.. did you know the RCMP are severely understaffed? Why not apply for a job? Encourage your ex-military friends to join.. Hell, even if just one joined and parked their cruiser out front, crime in the area would drop. |
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And what happens if we create a patrol and end up shooting someone at one of the neighbors? We already know these guys are armed, would you like us to just go give them hugs? Why not have more police, and get these criminals off the roads and create safer communities? And the 40 minutes response time is a conservative estimate. They took over an hour to get here for one of the robberies, and never made it all the way on the other. A high speed chase started as the locals ganged up on the bunch and ran them into town. Cops were supposed to set up a road block, but took it down once they found out the car was doing over 150. The crew got away and went on to go hold another household at gun point later that evening. |
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And as for training with the fire department. Do you know how to put on an SCBA, do a proper search, check for hazards, know how to self rescue, how to do vehicle extrication, medical assist, and traffic? That doesn't even get into TDG, S&R, Industrial FF, what to use to put out a fire, ventilation, Pump operations, etc.... theres a lot of training to get a good firefighter. As I said you dont just join and the next day your going into a structure fire. So just like Fire Departments there would be a lot of training for these POC Peace Officers. |
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Like I said, you need to take emotion out of this, and think logically. Being preventive is much better than a bandaide reactive solution. |
Sorry if you already answered this, but would these volunteer deputies of yours be armed and authorized to use deadly force?
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And how would the situation have turned out different? 6 officers could have pulled up on scene surrounded the suspects and arrested them within 15 minutes. 4-6 guys show up with Semi Auto rifles and shotguns you have your scene controlled fairly quickly. Instead these idiots pull a gun on the owners take off then go do it again later. Maybe we should round up these criminals and come put them in your neighborhood. See if your patrol idea will work on crackheads that dont think logically. Also you seem to be miss the point that EVERY small town in Alberta would have a department. Meaning the response zones would be fairly small for quick response times. Thats the whole point of making it POC, so most municipalities could afford to staff departments. |
So on one hand cops paid to do what cops do and on the other volunteer wannabes with less training, doing the cops job for free?
What could possibly go wrong?:thinking-006: castle law and CCW would certainly increase the size of the volunteer force :) |
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Honestly the only people I know that ever bring it up are the same guys that shoot absolutely ever living thing that crosses their path they can get away with. I shudder to think what they'd be like walking around with a gun in their pocket. I'm sure most here are way more responsible. But those people are out there. |
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So what do they do if they take hostages? You seem to think that just because some neighbor shows up with a semi auto all is well. What if the bad guys have them too? Does your training involve hostage situations and crowd control? Start a neighbourhood watch. They work. It takes a presence. .... basically your plan without the years of training and no guns. |
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If theres a hostage situation you would have a protocol to follow in that event. Just like there would be protocols to follow for most events you'd be called for. And the cost of training 1 fulltime LEO is to much for most communities. Let alone training a department full. POC Peace Officers would be a far more cost effective solution and ensure adequate staffing across the province. |
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.... sounds like that's gonna work out:thinking-006: If they're done right they do work. Do you have a neighbourhood watch program? Or just a neighbor that saw someone? Because those are 2 different things. |
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