.300 win mag vs .300 wsm
Just doing some research and wondering if any of you guys could help me out. I'm looking to get a good long range performer that has good knock down power for elk/moose yet not too heavy for deer also. I have narrowed it down to the .300 win mag or .300 wsm.
I was leaning more towards the .300 wsm, but after going through the ballistics charts, the .300 win mag is pretty much the same. What advantages does the .300 wsm have over the .300 win mag other than a shorter cartridge? I will be using the rifle mainly for longer range hunting (from ground blinds in large fields) The .300 rum is a real impressive round, but not impressed with the cost of ammo for them(i don't reload), so that one is out. Any help or insite would be appreciated. Thanks:) |
the 300wsm was designed to do what the 300 win mag does, but in a short action package. the ammo for the 300winny is cheaper ,i have a 300 wsm and dont reload either. i think im paying something like $64 a box. where you could by 300win for around $28 or something a box
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Don't get hung up on the idea of "knockdown" power for moose and elk,because neither the 300win mag or 300wsm is going to physically knock over an elk or a moose.Since you don't reload,I would go for a 7mmremmag or a 300winmag for your application.
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30-.06
I can't see any advantage except more expensive ammo for the ones you have narrowed it down to. 30-.06 should do everything and ammo is often more readily available and cheaper. then again I am biased to 30-06 and avoid the expense of mags.
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Of the 2 I'd say go short.
Less recoil, slightly lighter gun, more efficient powder burn. The short is slightly inferior ballistically, 100-200fps , but your burning more powder to get that advantage. That moose or elk won't know the difference. |
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LAst time I bought factory ammo they were closer than that. Hasn't been in a couple years mind you. $64 seems hight to me. |
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The WSM can be had in a TAD shorter action however..... Cat |
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But to me the wsm is superior in that, give or take, you use 20% less powder for only about 5% less performance. Basically,ballistically the same but do the math....and add a short action into the equation and IMHO you have a clear winner in the WSM :sHa_shakeshout: |
Okay, thanks for the info. Researching .300winmag and.300wsm the ammo isn't too much different in price, obviously wsm is more.
Now, what can someone tell me about the .300 RUM. What do they do to the cartridge to make it perform so well? I never have physically seen the cartridge.:confused: |
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With a winmag you could soft-load ammo to those lower velocities, or if you want, to higher ones. Like the difference between a 458 Winchester and 458 Lott, or between 44 special and 44 magnum. You can load to lower velocities & recoil if you want, or go full-house loads. Recoil ('impulse') BTW, has to do with rifle mass, mass of the bullet, acceleration curve of the bullet, and muzzle velocity. Not cartridge size and efficiency. |
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Unless of course you really feel that 100fps makes the longer cousin superior. |
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If you kept decreasing powder charge maybe you could get down to negative recoil and kill the animal that way...
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[QUOTE=elkhunter11;781281]I never posted that a 300 magnum will not kill an 800lb animal in it's tracks,I posted that a bullet out of a 300 magnum isn't likely going to physically knock over an elk or moose
My 300 wsm will physically knock over a coyote! I bought one a few years ago after using my brothers, a buddy of mine has a 300winmag and his gun is 2"+ longer than mine and heavier. I love my wsm and shoot it all the time! It is probably one of my favorites. A friend has a 270 wsm loves his too, but is thinking maybe he should have got the 300 as they are more popular, and common. If you do a lot of walking cutting a few inches and shaving a few ounces off your gun can make a HUGE difference!! If you hunt from a blind or shack and target shoot then I don't think either gun will disappoint you. P.s I do use this gun for coyotes, the trajectory with 150gr's are about the same as 22-250, 14 and counting with this gun in 2010 and hope to get a few more tomorrow. I know this is overkill but, it also makes me sick to my stomach when people talk about shooting coyotes with their 17 hmr's further than 40 yards. Also where I hunt coyotes 75% are not good enough for skinning before I shoot them! |
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Think he can pick up some 06AI ammo at Walmart ?? |
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How far should I go sir ? :confused: |
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Plain & Simple
If you reload: 300WSM
If you don't reload: 300 Win Mag The animal won't know any difference either way |
[QUOTE=elkhunter11;781435]Are you comparing a 40lb coyote to an 800lb elk,or a 1200lb moose?:rolleye2:
No, I know it won't " knock down" an elk,moose or deer. Are YOU comparing a 800 lb elk, or a 1200 lb moose to a 40 lb coyote? 300 wsm does have enough mustard to "knock down" a coyote, it is also very good deer medicine!! |
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To which I gave a pretty simple answer about the ''advantages a wsm has over the 300win'' And it sure didn't take long to get into the AI's and off topic. I guess we can get right into it and talk custom built wildcats, but I don't think ( and correct me if I'm wrong BigBuck ) that was the gist of this thread. Perhaps giving some of your wisdom that pertains to his question would be better than to try and pick apart my logic. Or.... you and I can go back and forth and maybe we can trump the crossbow thread !! Back to you.... Over.... |
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