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smith88 01-08-2021 05:06 PM

Boneless meat percentage
 
Just a quick question, what do you guys expect to get back as a percentage when you get an animal custom cut? 40, 50, 60%??

DiabeticKripple 01-08-2021 05:16 PM

40-50% depending on how much meat was destroyed by the shot.

smith88 01-08-2021 06:11 PM

High neck shot on an elk. Very little meat loss.

waldedw 01-08-2021 06:52 PM

According to the meat butcher / trim guide here is what they say.

A 1200 lb. steer on the hoof with 1/2" fat and average muscle mass will yield approx. 750 lbs. of dressed weight bone in beef, that 750 lb. dressed carcass will yield approx. 490 lbs. of boned out trimmed meat.

I would assume the same percentage would be close for wild game.

Dubious 01-08-2021 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by waldedw (Post 4304584)
According to the meat butcher / trim guide here is what they say.

A 1200 lb. steer on the hoof with 1/2" fat and average muscle mass will yield approx. 750 lbs. of dressed weight bone in beef, that 750 lb. dressed carcass will yield approx. 490 lbs. of boned out trimmed meat.

I would assume the same percentage would be close for wild game.

Dont forget moisture loss from hanging them in your garage for a 10 days.

smith88 01-08-2021 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dubious (Post 4304598)
Dont forget moisture loss from hanging them in your garage for a 10 days.

That wouldn't affect the weight from on the rail to the amount of cut meat. And live weight of an elk is hard to get haha :scared0018:

smith88 01-09-2021 08:19 AM

The elk I shot was 323lbs on the rail, no head, hide or legs below the knee. I received 58lbs of cuts and 59lbs of trim back. Carcass was in great shape, very little hair, no spoilage or guts. I'm not happy....

waldedw 01-09-2021 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by smith88 (Post 4304831)
The elk I shot was 323lbs on the rail, no head, hide or legs below the knee. I received 58lbs of cuts and 59lbs of trim back. Carcass was in great shape, very little hair, no spoilage or guts. I'm not happy....

Yup based on those numbers I would say you are about 60# short

Ranger CS 01-09-2021 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by smith88 (Post 4304606)
That wouldn't affect the weight from on the rail to the amount of cut meat. And live weight of an elk is hard to get haha :scared0018:

Yes it could, depending on the amount of time spent hanging on the rail aging.

wildalberta 01-09-2021 08:53 AM

im going to say u got the shaft there. i would expect 150-200# boneless return.

Dick284 01-09-2021 09:04 AM

At the very best 55%-60%

Usually closer to 50%

elkslayer132 01-09-2021 09:33 AM

I shot a 340 pound bull elk (hang weight) this year and got back about 170 pounds of boneless meat.

Dubious 01-09-2021 09:44 AM

Learn to cut your own game guys by the time you do a few the equipment (grinder) will have paid for it’s self. A home kitchen chefs knife cutting board table butchers paper and YouTube is all you need to get started.

sns2 01-09-2021 10:51 AM

You got screwed bud. Watch youtube. Cut your own. The bigger the animal, the easier it actually is to recognize and separate muscle groups for all your cuts. Most of us got nudged to do our own by high prices and questionable yields. You control the cuts. You control the cleanliness. It really isn't hard.

SuperCub 01-09-2021 11:00 AM

I've never cut an elk, so will not comment directly to the OP.

I can say that this sort of complaint is VERY VERY common among those who get game cut up by someone else. As a meat cutter myself, I've seen it 1st hand many times. Bust up a shoulder to a fast bullet and see how much meat can be lost just in that.

silver lab 01-09-2021 11:18 AM

Was the 323lbs totally drained of blood (at the very least a couple days) or was that weight taken as it was skinned and hung? It does seem you are a little short but I have cut a few elk in my day and I can tell you there is a pile of meat on an elks neck also blood ain’t light, I would also say elk have on average more loss then a typical deer.
Not sure who you used but some butchers are harder on good meet then others, especially in the hunting season rush.

smith88 01-09-2021 01:48 PM

Shot the elk on the 30th, and skinned. Weight was taken on the 4th when butcher shop was open again.

buckman 01-09-2021 01:48 PM

Unless you know the butcher on a personal level you always take a risk.

Cutting game is not that hard and you will be sure of everything being only off your animal, especially the ground and sausage.

DiabeticKripple 01-09-2021 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sns2 (Post 4304949)
You got screwed bud. Watch youtube. Cut your own. The bigger the animal, the easier it actually is to recognize and separate muscle groups for all your cuts. Most of us got nudged to do our own by high prices and questionable yields. You control the cuts. You control the cleanliness. It really isn't hard.

this is part of the reason i do my own. I didnt want ANY fat in my roasts and steaks, and was very picky about what went it the grind pile. The result is almost pure meat in the grind and zero hair.

old dog 01-09-2021 03:20 PM

Ya u got shorted by what u described. About 60# as suggested. Unless we want specialty items, we butcher ourselves. We trust our butcher but a mistake can happen. Did u talk to the butcher to see if he would check the other shelves for your name on the meat and tell him what u r thinking. Helps keep everyone on there toes.

sns2 01-09-2021 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by diabetickripple (Post 4305171)
this is part of the reason i do my own. I didnt want any fat in my roasts and steaks, and was very picky about what went it the grind pile. The result is almost pure meat in the grind and zero hair.

100%

catnthehat 01-09-2021 03:42 PM

I usually look for a 1/3 of the rail weight, but I don't use any fat that I can cut off and am very picky about what I grind.
A good friend and butcher/sausage maker once told me that 'if you will not fry it up and eat it don't put it in your sausage or burger"
Cat

Duramaximos 01-09-2021 03:45 PM

Suggestion, perhaps find a hunter willing to show you the ropes for your first deer or two.

Well worth the investment in equipment. A good vacuum sealer ($200), and a decent grinder ($250) would be a good start.

If space is an concern consider buying a dedicated freezer and a stand alone temp controller ($250 + $50). The controller will let you run the freezer at 2C while you process quarters into roasts, and grind. When everything is packed up, remove the controller and let everything freeze solid. Poor man's walk in cooler. This hack has saved me on a number of warm weather harvests when leaving things to hang in the garage was out of the question.

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old dog 01-09-2021 04:55 PM

Meant to ask if the rib cage and backbone was with it. I normally just take in the four legs with bone in. And bone out the back straps and neck meat and rib meat

fishnguy 01-09-2021 05:30 PM

This year’s young bull provided me with 77 kg (~ 170 lbs) of nicely but not wastefully (though some may disagree) trimmed meat. This excludes the rib meat because for the first time I cleaned and cut the rib cage for barbecue or something. There was little, if any, meat waste due to the bullet penetration; it was a very clean shot.

Last year, a bigger bull provided me with 88kg (~ 195 lbs) of nicely trimmed meat. That included rib meat as well. There was some, but not much at all meat damage due to the bullet. It was, like yours, a high neck shot.

The least I got from an elk was about 65 kg (~ 145 lbs), if I recall correctly, which was a young cow (very little to none as far as shot meat goes as well).

I have no idea how much any of the mentioned above weighed before processing, so I can’t tell in terms of percentage. Nevertheless, 117 pounds you have received seems pretty low. In fact, I got that much off a deer. But then it could also be a very nice young cow you shot (I have no idea how much any of the animals I ever shot weighed before processing).

I have never used a butcher even though I don’t particularly enjoy processing myself.

brewster29 01-09-2021 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by smith88 (Post 4304831)
The elk I shot was 323lbs on the rail, no head, hide or legs below the knee. I received 58lbs of cuts and 59lbs of trim back. Carcass was in great shape, very little hair, no spoilage or guts. I'm not happy....

I have cut up at well over 30 bull elk. I usually get 45-48ish % of hanging weight in clean, well trimmed (no fat and most silver skin removed) ready to cook boneless meat. Varies a bit due to shot damage, fat percentage, cleanliness and hanging time (affects amount of dried stuff trimmed) and my degree of patience. Bulls are generally leaner than cows and return higher percentages.

You might be 20 lbs light in your return. Nobody ever gets back as much as they expected...

silver lab 01-09-2021 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple (Post 4305171)
this is part of the reason i do my own. I didnt want ANY fat in my roasts and steaks, and was very picky about what went it the grind pile. The result is almost pure meat in the grind and zero hair.

And zero CWD....

Dubious 01-09-2021 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by smith88 (Post 4304606)
That wouldn't affect the weight from on the rail to the amount of cut meat. And live weight of an elk is hard to get haha :scared0018:

It actually does, moisture evaporates out of the meat the longer it hangs. Game meat is pretty lean so it’s not going to be super high but it’s there. http://www.mossbackfarm.com/2013/06/...e-information/

I still think your light some meat, meat cutters make mistakes like any business does, when they do that meat they use to fix there mistake has to come from
Somewhere not saying this happened but this happened to one of my friends. He took an early season deer to a popular Calgary meat cutter a few years back. It took way to long he started to call them weekly they kept telling him if we haven’t called you it’s not done yet, after waiting months he finally went in and confronted them, he watched them search there freezer then take cuts from a bunch of other peoples boxes and made up an average amount to make him happy because they lost his deer.

reddeerhunter 01-10-2021 11:53 AM

How small are these bull elk some guys post? My last 3 went 640,670,670 on rail. Wainwright bulls.

Of which 390 avg lbs deboned meat came off.

I always assumed a cow 400 on rail and bull 650 as norm.


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reddeerhunter 01-10-2021 12:00 PM

How small are these bull elk some guys post? My last 3 went 640,670,670 on rail. Wainwright bulls.

Of which 390 avg lbs deboned meat came off.

I always assumed a cow 400 on rail and bull 650 as norm.


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