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CrisPbacon 10-04-2023 11:47 AM

Charismatic Megafauna?
 
A lottery draw system opened up for a Bison herd of about 600 animals but no draw for a Grizzly Bear population of about 1000 (That might be an under estimate). All politics?

3blade 10-04-2023 01:16 PM

Yep

Let bears wipe out the game, keep non-treaty hunters out of the hills/mountains and make it a more-equal only park in the name of reconciliation. Eventually prohibit licensed gun ownership “if you can’t hunt you don’t need guns”

Take note - wildlife is provincial jurisdiction - this is occurring with a “conservative” majority government, and was INITIATED by a conservative majority government, lead by Ralph. Shows you the undercurrent pretty clearly.

walking buffalo 10-04-2023 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 3blade (Post 4665481)
Yep

Let bears wipe out the game, keep non-treaty hunters out of the hills/mountains and make it a more-equal only park in the name of reconciliation. Eventually prohibit licensed gun ownership “if you can’t hunt you don’t need guns”

Take note - wildlife is provincial jurisdiction - this is occurring with a “conservative” majority government, and was INITIATED by a conservative majority government, lead by Ralph. Shows you the undercurrent pretty clearly.

You should review your notes on why the Grizzly hunt was suspended.

bezzola 10-04-2023 02:22 PM

Why was it cancelled after all these years i still don’t know why.

270person 10-04-2023 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CrisPbacon (Post 4665457)
A lottery draw system opened up for a Bison herd of about 600 animals but no draw for a Grizzly Bear population of about 1000 (That might be an under estimate). All politics?

Thats IS an underestimate

3blade 10-04-2023 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bezzola (Post 4665499)
Why was it cancelled after all these years i still don’t know why.

Y2Y arranged a political pressure campaign, funded by Mountain Equipment Co-op and American anti-hunting zealots. Kevin Van Tighem worked with them to identify a company that would do a “study”. You can look up the name, I’ll get banned if I say it directly. They are well known throughout the industry for giving their clients the desired (paid for) results regardless of reality. Forestry said there was about 2-3000 bears. Study said under 1000, which coincidentally :rolleye2: was the federal limit for endangered species. Hunt ended to “avoid federal interference” aka Ralph and the cons old boys club running scared.

It’s the old death-by-a-thousand-cuts strategy. Large predators are the most emotion evoking target for non-hunters, and therefore easiest hunts to assault. Then it’s their food source. Now it “reconciliation” “traditional territory” “treaty rights”

End goal is to end hunting by all non-treaty subjects

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Originally Posted by walking buffalo (Post 4665496)
You should review your notes on why the Grizzly hunt was suspended.

Want to add anything?

walking buffalo 10-04-2023 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 3blade (Post 4665564)



Want to add anything?

You did a decent job. A bit too much biased rhetoric, as usual these days.

The AB government really had no choice as they simply did not have the data to defend a hunt.
The Mountain Co-op group played their cards very well.

I will agree that subsequent governments have been lazy and incompetent, perhaps purposefully, in an effort to not allow the data to be compiled which may reopen the hunt.

No doubt, this is nothing but politics.....

H380 10-04-2023 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 3blade (Post 4665564)
Y2Y arranged a political pressure campaign, funded by Mountain Equipment Co-op and American anti-hunting zealots. Kevin Van Tighem worked with them to identify a company that would do a “study”. You can look up the name, I’ll get banned if I say it directly. They are well known throughout the industry for giving their clients the desired (paid for) results regardless of reality. Forestry said there was about 2-3000 bears. Study said under 1000, which coincidentally :rolleye2: was the federal limit for endangered species. Hunt ended to “avoid federal interference” aka Ralph and the cons old boys club running scared.



It’s the old death-by-a-thousand-cuts strategy. Large predators are the most emotion evoking target for non-hunters, and therefore easiest hunts to assault. Then it’s their food source. Now it “reconciliation” “traditional territory” “treaty rights”



End goal is to end hunting by all non-treaty subjects







Want to add anything?

Afraid you have nailed it directly on the head ..

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Grizzly Adams1 10-04-2023 09:05 PM

I saw Karsten Heuer on the news tonight, bitching about approval of the Three Sisters development in Canmore, where he lives. He's the push behind the introduction of bison into Banff national park. Physician Heal Thyself. :lol:

Grizz

creeky 10-05-2023 09:49 AM

Health.
 
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Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1 (Post 4665614)
I saw Karsten Heuer on the news tonight, bitching about approval of the Three Sisters development in Canmore, where he lives. He's the push behind the introduction of bison into Banff national park. Physician Heal Thyself. :lol:

Grizz

Hope you sent him a get well card when he fell 25ft out of his tree stand? :


https://abolishsporthunting.org/hunt...ng-tree-stand/


Creeky....


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Stinky Buffalo 10-05-2023 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by creeky (Post 4665696)
Hope you sent him a get well card when he fell 25ft out of his tree stand? :


https://abolishsporthunting.org/hunt...ng-tree-stand/


Creeky....


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Ouch! I wouldn't wish that on anyone. He's a lucky man.

Just a side note - Yikes, that organization (CASH) is quite the piece of work. They are out there, and they walk among us (they profess that they hang out with hunters/hunting organizations, ostensibly to collect dirt on them).

Original article link (so that we don't grace CASH with more clicks): https://www.rmoutlook.com/canmore/re...-stand-4711236

creeky 10-05-2023 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Stinky Buffalo (Post 4665706)
Ouch! I wouldn't wish that on anyone. He's a lucky man.

Just a side note - Yikes, that organization (CASH) is quite the piece of work. They are out there, and they walk among us (they profess that they hang out with hunters/hunting organizations, ostensibly to collect dirt on them).

Original article link (so that we don't grace CASH with more clicks): https://www.rmoutlook.com/canmore/re...-stand-4711236



x2:

https://www.rmoutlook.com/canmore/re...-stand-4711236


Creeky....


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