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Sundancefisher 03-25-2024 08:52 AM

Moscow attack by ISIS kills over 100 but it’s a weird world
 
ISIS is apparently fighting Russian propaganda and misinformation as the attacked Russia earlier in March and have claim responsibility for this latest attack. But Russia is refusing to announce that on national media but instead have tried to link the attack to Ukraine.

The attackers are from Tajikistan. ISIS even released photos of the men taken before the attack.

Sounds like Russia also ignored the warnings from other countries about an attack.

So now ISIS is forced to fight Russian propaganda as it tries to claim responsibility in the eyes of Russians. Likely it will embolden them to do more attacks.

Russia clearly wants to use this to bolster military recruitment and potentially as an excuse for a harsh assault on some area of Ukraine while at the same time they will be looking to hit ISIS somewhere.

elkhunter11 03-25-2024 08:58 AM

Better that ISIS attack Russia, and draw away resources , than attack someone else. And hopefully Putin deals extremely harshly with ISIS, as opposed to Trudeau welcoming ISIS terrorists back with open arms.

CBintheNorth 03-25-2024 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11 (Post 4711818)
Better that ISIS attack Russia, and draw away resources , than attack someone else. And hopefully Putin deals extremely harshly with ISIS, as opposed to Trudeau welcoming ISIS terrorists back with open arms.

And a cheque.
Don't forget the cheque.

Sundancefisher 03-25-2024 09:13 AM

Need this morning showed 4 very beat up terrorists. One that apparently had his ear cut off by security official. All look tortured. Two have already pled guilty and have life sentences as Russia doesn’t have capital punishment.

That said… the odds of them surviving 2 days in prison with Russian nationals is zero.

They will be dead as soon as the KGB feel they’ve beaten as much info as possible out of them.

Then they get Navalny’d. Sudden death syndrome.

DirtShooter 03-25-2024 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundancefisher (Post 4711822)
Need this morning showed 4 very beat up terrorists. One that apparently had his ear cut off by security official. All look tortured. Two have already pled guilty and have life sentences as Russia doesn’t have capital punishment.

That said… the odds of them surviving 2 days in prison with Russian nationals is zero.

They will be dead as soon as the KGB feel they’ve beaten as much info as possible out of them.

Then they get Navalny’d. Sudden death syndrome.

That's been a popular thing for the last 2-3 years around the world.

elkhunter11 03-25-2024 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundancefisher (Post 4711822)
Need this morning showed 4 very beat up terrorists. One that apparently had his ear cut off by security official. All look tortured. Two have already pled guilty and have life sentences as Russia doesn’t have capital punishment.

That said… the odds of them surviving 2 days in prison with Russian nationals is zero.

They will be dead as soon as the KGB feel they’ve beaten as much info as possible out of them.

Then they get Navalny’d. Sudden death syndrome.

If they are ISIS terrorists, then good for Russia. ISIS burned people alive, and took videos as they cut off people's heads, they deserve to be treated like the animals that they are.

Talking moose 03-25-2024 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundancefisher (Post 4711822)
Need this morning showed 4 very beat up terrorists. One that apparently had his ear cut off by security official. All look tortured. Two have already pled guilty and have life sentences as Russia doesn’t have capital punishment.

That said… the odds of them surviving 2 days in prison with Russian nationals is zero.

They will be dead as soon as the KGB feel they’ve beaten as much info as possible out of them.

Then they get Navalny’d. Sudden death syndrome.

Good.

KGB 03-25-2024 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundancefisher (Post 4711822)
Need this morning showed 4 very beat up terrorists. One that apparently had his ear cut off by security official. All look tortured. Two have already pled guilty and have life sentences as Russia doesn’t have capital punishment.

That said… the odds of them surviving 2 days in prison with Russian nationals is zero.

They will be dead as soon as the KGB feel they’ve beaten as much info as possible out of them.

Then they get Navalny’d. Sudden death syndrome.

I already feel that Russians got all the info they need…. So go ahead….:sHa_shakeshout:

KGB 03-25-2024 11:18 AM

The whole story is weird. Apparently the terrorists were trying to escape to Ukrain as per Russian media but they were caught in Belarus/Russia border… They were driving the white Reno sedan after they fled the massacre and kept driving it all the way to Belarus where they were captured…. They didn’t try to get another vehicle that wasn’t spotted at the crime scene? Dumb!
As for cutting ears or balls…. I kinda like the idea!

Ackleyman 03-25-2024 01:37 PM

I think the Ruskys will treat them like a cat playing with a half dead mouse. Beat the crap out of them every day for a while.

32-40win 03-25-2024 01:47 PM

The sources I've seen, seem to be pushing that the ISIS acct is the right one, and that they were supposed to be headed to Tajikistan. Russians trying to blame Ukes is completely predictable, pretty much a given that they'd at least put that out on their own media for domestic comsumption. Think they were trying to tie them to the Russian Legion group that did the little invasion in the Belgorod border region, apparently that isn't flying too well, but, they do have a mostly captive audience. Of course RUAF is flattening whole towns in that area with air and artillery, it'll become something of a no-man's land now apparently. They say they issued evac notices before taking out those towns.

Bigwoodsman 03-25-2024 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ackleyman (Post 4711918)
I think the Ruskys will treat them like a cat playing with a half dead mouse. Beat the crap out of them every day for a while.

I wouldn't kill them, that's what they want. Just beat them to within a breath of life, let them recover and start the process over. Let Isis know this is what to expect.

I have no sympathy for Putin, or the Kremlin. The people of Russia deserve better.

I have less sympathy for groups like Isis or Hamas.

BW

calgarychef 03-25-2024 01:57 PM

Wise words told to my by a Russian friend:

The only thing we can trust in a war is that everything we are told will be lies.

Scott h 03-25-2024 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 32-40win (Post 4711921)
The sources I've seen, seem to be pushing that the ISIS acct is the right one, and that they were supposed to be headed to Tajikistan. Russians trying to blame Ukes is completely predictable, pretty much a given that they'd at least put that out on their own media for domestic comsumption. Think they were trying to tie them to the Russian Legion group that did the little invasion in the Belgorod border region, apparently that isn't flying too well, but, they do have a mostly captive audience. Of course RUAF is flattening whole towns in that area with air and artillery, it'll become something of a no-man's land now apparently. They say they issued evac notices before taking out those towns.

Putin has to do something considering he went on air 3 days before the attack and laughed off the warning that was handed to him on a silver plate. He looks pretty stupid and weak at this point.

Grizzly Adams1 03-25-2024 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by calgarychef (Post 4711923)
Wise words told to my by a Russian friend:

The only thing we can trust in a war is that everything we are told will be lies.

The first casualty of War is Truth. :lol:

Sooner 03-25-2024 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundancefisher (Post 4711822)
Need this morning showed 4 very beat up terrorists. One that apparently had his ear cut off by security official. All look tortured. Two have already pled guilty and have life sentences as Russia doesn’t have capital punishment.

That said… the odds of them surviving 2 days in prison with Russian nationals is zero.

They will be dead as soon as the KGB feel they’ve beaten as much info as possible out of them.

Then they get Navalny’d. Sudden death syndrome.

Looked up the pics of these beat up animals. Should have given them a bit more. If their dead within a week of going to prison, its a week too long. I like this kind of justice when it is cut & dry who did it. Bet the remaining ones in custody are crapping their backsides.

bat119 03-25-2024 05:55 PM

Life sentence in a gulag is about 2 days for these guys if they make it there at all

barsik 03-25-2024 06:13 PM

check out this clip from Konstantine, he has some very interesting insights into the events that day. he actually knows the area very well and attended numerous events at the Krokus auditorium. he can say pretty much what he thinks because he doesn't live in Russia anymore. it's about 20 minutes long, maybe someone will watch it and post a cliff notes version. enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd_d...l=INSIDERUSSIA

Scott h 03-25-2024 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11 (Post 4711838)
If they are ISIS terrorists, then good for Russia. ISIS burned people alive, and took videos as they cut off people's heads, they deserve to be treated like the animals that they are.

It would be a toss up trying to guess which is worse, ISIS or Russia.:thinking-006: Two sides of the same coin…

gman1978 03-25-2024 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott h (Post 4712002)
It would be a toss up trying to guess which is worse, ISIS or Russia.:thinking-006: Two sides of the same coin…

ISIS hands down. The average Russian is just like you and me.

elkhunter11 03-25-2024 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott h (Post 4712002)
It would be a toss up trying to guess which is worse, ISIS or Russia.:thinking-006: Two sides of the same coin…

Russia doesn’t go around kidnapping tourists or innocent civilians and posting videos as they cut off their heads, or burn them alive. And the average Russian doesn't want to kill everyone that doesn't share their religion.

58thecat 03-26-2024 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bat119 (Post 4711976)
Life sentence in a gulag is about 2 days for these guys if they make it there at all

The way it should be....all rogue animals get put down.

elkhunter11 03-26-2024 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 58thecat (Post 4712066)
The way it should be....all rogue animals get put down.

Not in Canada, our government welcomes them back and gives them money, after they commit acts of terrorism.

Talking moose 03-26-2024 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott h (Post 4712002)
It would be a toss up trying to guess which is worse, ISIS or Russia.:thinking-006: Two sides of the same coin…

Smarten up.

Sundog57 03-26-2024 08:44 AM

Sure enough on how to deal with terrorists - of course they are responsible for 150 odd deaths of innocent people, Putin is responsible for more than a thousand times that many

Scott h 03-26-2024 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundog57 (Post 4712092)
Sure enough on how to deal with terrorists - of course they are responsible for 150 odd deaths of innocent people, Putin is responsible for more than a thousand times that many

You got it. Russia has always been known for its extensive war crimes and other atrocities, many that would make ISIS blush....Ukraine is just the latest in very long list.

Scott h 03-26-2024 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Talking moose (Post 4712073)
Smarten up.

Take a look at where ISIS K actually started....You got it, Russia invading Afghanistan. Maybe do a little research on the atrocities done by the Russians in Afghanistan, and they sound eerily similar to what they are doing to the Ukrainians today. Sometimes payback sucks.....

Talking moose 03-26-2024 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott h (Post 4712130)
Take a look at where ISIS K actually started....You got it, Russia invading Afghanistan. Maybe do a little research on the atrocities done by the Russians in Afghanistan, and they sound eerily similar to what they are doing to the Ukrainians today. Sometimes payback sucks.....

People sign up for isis to commit atrocities.
You keep saying Russia. Russia is a country. Isis is a terrorist group.
If someone I meet tells me they are Russian, I’ll shake their hand.
If someone tells me they are isis. I spit in their face.

Sundancefisher 03-26-2024 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KGB (Post 4711871)
The whole story is weird. Apparently the terrorists were trying to escape to Ukrain as per Russian media but they were caught in Belarus/Russia border… They were driving the white Reno sedan after they fled the massacre and kept driving it all the way to Belarus where they were captured…. They didn’t try to get another vehicle that wasn’t spotted at the crime scene? Dumb!
As for cutting ears or balls…. I kinda like the idea!

It’s one of Putin’s propaganda piece. Trying to put some blame on Ukraine to enrage the population and build approval of the war. However they were caught trying to get to Belarus not Ukraine. Seems like a convenient route for getting caught.

There is however some in depth journalism that showed some Russian blue jacket undercover agents helping the terrorists… then quickly capture them and it appears by the same guys that were at the scene of the massacre watching and then later, holding the terrorists in custody.

The one “hero” is apparent one of the undercover agents.

Makes sense… have a hero, capture the bad guys, blame Ukraine.

Still… Putin knows it was ISIS… so when will he strike their leadership in the Middle East.

Sundancefisher 03-26-2024 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sooner (Post 4711965)
Looked up the pics of these beat up animals. Should have given them a bit more. If their dead within a week of going to prison, its a week too long. I like this kind of justice when it is cut & dry who did it. Bet the remaining ones in custody are crapping their backsides.

I suspect they will get more and more beat up until they have given every shred of intel… and then disappeared.

No one will care.

It was such a successful attack. If Russia let it happen after ignoring other countries… then at least if will stop.

If they screwed up… new attacks will be coming. Likely in waves.

EU apparently fends off lots of planned attacks.

Russia also now has to kick out all persons in the terrorist demographic. That will hit there economy and further upset the Islamic community.

Ignoring ISIS claim of responsibility is likely also ticking them off.


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