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mooseburger 07-21-2017 06:32 AM

What's best ..bank draft ???!?
 
Selling a truck to a guy from Utah, not sure which is the safest way to do business with this guy.
Need a little advise on how to receive my money.
How this thing should work etc.

Thanks for taking time to read / respond to this thread..Mb

Dean2 07-21-2017 08:10 AM

Bank drafts can be forged but you can also verify their legitimacy before releasing the goods. Before you give him the truck, go to your bank and have your bank call his bank and verify the draft is legit BEFORE they deposit it to your account. It works better if you set this up in advance by talking to your bank so you are sure both banks are open and you have verified the other bank's phone number off the web, not the bank draft you receive.

The other option is to have him wire the funds from his bank to yours. Those are guaranteed funds.

Final choice is Cash, but again you need to ensure it isn't counterfeit.

JRP 07-21-2017 08:38 AM

Have you talked to this guy?

Call me paranoid but i don't trust people who buy vehicles sight unseen, granted i don't really have the full story. For me most time its just scammers i get off Kijiji. All i can say is err on the side of caution before you send any goods.

Twisted Canuck 07-21-2017 08:58 AM

Cash is good when dealing with someone from another country. Or gold bullion.

As said, bank drafts can be faked, and your vehicle will be long gone when your bank charges your account back for the full amount, plus an NSF fee to add salt to the wound.

The only problem with an electronic transfer is you are giving up banking info to a stranger. I never feel comfortable doing that.

Stinky Buffalo 07-21-2017 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JRP (Post 3587829)
Have you talked to this guy?

Call me paranoid but i don't trust people who buy vehicles sight unseen, granted i don't really have the full story. For me most time its just scammers i get off Kijiji. All i can say is err on the side of caution before you send any goods.

I have to admit that this crossed my mind as well. One of the common scams is that the buyer "overpays" with phony funds and you send the difference back in valid funds... They get your vehicle and change.

creeky 07-21-2017 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean2 (Post 3587809)
Bank drafts can be forged but you can also verify their legitimacy before releasing the goods. Before you give him the truck, go to your bank and have your bank call his bank and verify the draft is legit BEFORE they deposit it to your account. It works better if you set this up in advance by talking to your bank so you are sure both banks are open and you have verified the other bank's phone number off the web, not the bank draft you receive.

The other option is to have him wire the funds from his bank to yours. Those are guaranteed funds.

Final choice is Cash, but again you need to ensure it isn't counterfeit.



X2 on wire transfer

sikwhiskey 07-21-2017 09:25 AM

Definitely wire transfer, doesn't matter if you give out bank account number, they can do nothing with it. Just like a cheque, bank account info is on every cheque. Bank drafts can and do get faked..... had a friend sell an escalade with bank confirmation that all was clear, 2weeks later no funds. Made the news in Calgary.

Okotokian 07-21-2017 09:26 AM

How much are we talking about? In most cases I'd say cash. I bought a boat for $25,000. Went to the local bank, got cash, put it in the guy's hand. Tell him to do that. I'm afraid I don't know the intricacies of an American getting Canadian cash. He can't bring a lot (in either currency) over the border without declaring it and all the hassle that goes with that.

JRP 07-21-2017 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Stinky Buffalo (Post 3587848)
I have to admit that this crossed my mind as well. One of the common scams is that the buyer "overpays" with phony funds and you send the difference back in valid funds... They get your vehicle and change.

Im used to the one where they are unavailable to view it but take your word and will give you full price and get their moving company to come box it up and take it away for you free of charge.
:thinking-006::scared0018:

bobtodrick 07-21-2017 10:16 AM

Our company does a lot of web sales.
One thing that always alerts us to fraud is cross border (even provincial).
I would think that there would be lot of used trucks, at likely great deals in Utah, just because of the much greater population base.
Why is he going to all the trouble of buying from Edmonton.
Unless you know the guy...or your truck is something rare I would be very leery.

Dean2 07-21-2017 10:25 AM

Guys

It may be a scam and you do have to be careful but I and others have bought a ton of vehicles from the states and brought them up to Canada when the dollar was at par. We always went down to see them, unless it was from a dealer we had dealt with before and trusted, so one thing to watch for is if the buyer is buying privately, sight unseen that is a BIG red flag.

With the U.S. dollar being 30% more than Canadian it is not hard to believe that someone would be willing to buy one here and take it to the States. $25,000 Canadian is only $17,500 U.S.. There are Americans buying pickups and heavy equipment up here every day, especially at the auctions and taking them south to make the money on the dollar spread.

Spidey 07-21-2017 01:42 PM

You could use an escrow service - but will cost a fee. Protects both buyer and seller.

http://pages.ebay.ca/help/pay/escrow.html

fish_e_o 07-21-2017 02:03 PM

how about a letter of credit?

ÜberFly 07-21-2017 02:37 PM

So I recently sold an item to someone in Montana. My RBC branch wouldn't accept a USPS money order ( even though USPS said they would). We had to do a wire transfer. His bank charged him $25 my bank charged me $17. So I lost a bit ( I didn't realize this initially), but it was the only way to go. Not sure if the service charge is related to the total amount being wired, but you can include that in your negotiation.

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Newview01 07-21-2017 02:42 PM

I wire transfer to my suppliers in the States. Relatively easy to set up and guaranteed to be legit.

tbiddy 07-21-2017 03:21 PM

I am actually sitting outside the bank waiting for my wife to come with a bank draft. We purchased a motorhome today for $17,000. The buyer wanted cash. $100 bills. We called the CIBC in Lloydminster and they told us they could get us $5000. Maybe $7-8000 if it was a "good cash day". I felt uneasy taking $17K with me anyways so this works out.

tri777 07-21-2017 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tbiddy (Post 3588123)
I am actually sitting outside the bank waiting for my wife to come with a bank draft. We purchased a motorhome today for $17,000. The buyer wanted cash. $100 bills. We called the CIBC in Lloydminster and they told us they could get us $5000. Maybe $7-8000 if it was a "good cash day". I felt uneasy taking $17K with me anyways so this works out.

I had to make an appointment with my bank a week in advance to take out 40.

Vigilante 07-21-2017 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tri777 (Post 3588257)
I had to make an appointment with my bank a week in advance to take out 40.

I have learned to make appointments as well. Its annoying having to drive all over Calgary, Okotoks, and High River, Getting 5k from each bank.

tbiddy 07-21-2017 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tri777 (Post 3588257)
I had to make an appointment with my bank a week in advance to take out 40.

Ya I think that's what we might do in the future. Take out our budget in cash and have it on hand. On a side note, drove the 2 hrs to pick up the motorhome after looking at yesterday. Thank god it poured before we got there. Windshield leaking, water coming in through the corner, slide all of a sudden doesn't go in. Thanks but no thanks. Walked away, saved $17K and a lot of headaches.

tri777 07-21-2017 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbiddy (Post 3588301)
Ya I think that's what we might do in the future. Take out our budget in cash and have it on hand. On a side note, drove the 2 hrs to pick up the motorhome after looking at yesterday. Thank god it poured before we got there. Windshield leaking, water coming in through the corner, slide all of a sudden doesn't go in. Thanks but no thanks. Walked away,
saved $17K and a lot of headaches.

Good on you !!

(It's also best for it to have been raining for abit
when shopping for houses/Properties,
for avoiding the above 'motorhome surprises' too.)

JBE 07-21-2017 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobtodrick (Post 3587934)
Our company does a lot of web sales.
One thing that always alerts us to fraud is cross border (even provincial).
I would think that there would be lot of used trucks, at likely great deals in Utah, just because of the much greater population base.
Why is he going to all the trouble of buying from Edmonton.
Unless you know the guy...or your truck is something rare I would be very leery.

Probably has a lot to do with the US dollar . 30% makes a difference. Lots of trucks etc. moving south every day for this reason

Gary K 07-21-2017 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okotokian (Post 3587869)
How much are we talking about? In most cases I'd say cash. I bought a boat for $25,000. Went to the local bank, got cash, put it in the guy's hand. Tell him to do that. I'm afraid I don't know the intricacies of an American getting Canadian cash. He can't bring a lot (in either currency) over the border without declaring it and all the hassle that goes with that.

So that sign at the boarder, if you have over 10,000 Canadian in Monterey instruments. It INCLUDES bank drafts, cheques, cash, and all other monetary instruments (debit cards etc)

I was coming back from the USA with some cheques for our us company, our accounting is located in Canada. So figured I better declare.

Had a chat with the boarder agent at YYC After. He said thanks for declaring but it's a joke rule. No one declares what the should. As most people have access to 10k or more. But if you got 10k in your bank account your supposed to declare it crossing both ways.

They'll never hassle you for this, only cash to help eliminate drug payments. But I found it interesting.

And to the OP. Don't use PayPal if that comes up!

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TylerThomson 07-21-2017 10:16 PM

Just use an transfer through your online banking. The only details exchanged are email address or phone number. Literally takes 20 minutes at the most to go though

skidderman 07-21-2017 10:38 PM

Just remember that a wire transfer takes two days. First here to Toronto, then from TO to New York, then from New York to their bank or the reverse if selling here. Learned that the hard way.

Dean2 07-22-2017 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerThomson (Post 3588431)
Just use an transfer through your online banking. The only details exchanged are email address or phone number. Literally takes 20 minutes at the most to go though

We can do that here but few U.S. banks offer that function. On top of that most transfers of this type are maxed at $2,000.

p3t3rsn 07-22-2017 09:53 AM

Western union

Newview01 07-22-2017 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary K (Post 3588412)

But if you got 10k in your bank account your supposed to declare it crossing both ways.



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False.

sikwhiskey 07-22-2017 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerThomson (Post 3588431)
Just use an transfer through your online banking. The only details exchanged are email address or phone number. Literally takes 20 minutes at the most to go though

Can't do email money transfers across border, unless the banks changed since last year. And even then EMT have a $$ limit.

oldtreekiller 07-22-2017 12:03 PM

Always meet face to face, if you are nervous meet in a bank or some place similar, though if you are worried passing on the transaction is the smart move.

And cash is always king.

TylerThomson 07-22-2017 03:34 PM

I know there is a limit I bought a suzuki samurai last year and had to do 3 transfers. I just called the bank and let them know what I was doing. Mind you this wasn't across a border.


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