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Marty S 09-13-2021 11:43 AM

GFW Market-talk with Guy Groenewold
 
Forum kinda dead these days! How about some USA fur market talk to spice up your day? Be warned, a lot of the context on coyotes centers around Wisconson type coyotes, but still enlightening.

Market Talk with Guy Groenewold

https://fb.watch/7_-RIAwUBM/

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CTwwIjj..._web_copy_link

https://youtu.be/Au_fHENhoDM

H380 09-27-2021 10:27 PM

So what is Martys take on Alberta coyotes?

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Marty S 09-29-2021 09:50 PM

People tell me it's too early to tell for certain where the market will exactly be. Some of the indicators look good, considering the goose people quiting fur.

Marty S 10-04-2021 08:42 AM

DO NOT HARVEST EARLY FLAT COYOTES THIS YEAR.

Nobody wants them. The odd guy might buy some by "mistake"(??) but outside of that nobody really wants them.

Unless you just trapping for fun and don't care about the steep downgrade.

pikeslayer22 10-09-2021 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty S (Post 4421495)
DO NOT HARVEST EARLY FLAT COYOTES THIS YEAR.

Nobody wants them. The odd guy might buy some by "mistake"(??) but outside of that nobody really wants them.

Unless you just trapping for fun and don't care about the steep downgrade.

What’s your thoughts on average time of prime ness Marty? To me around here it’s mid November to December at the earliest

Marty S 10-10-2021 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by pikeslayer22 (Post 4423602)
What’s your thoughts on average time of prime ness Marty? To me around here it’s mid November to December at the earliest

Always nice to determine what a person’s definition of “prime” means. Fully prime as in completely developed, fully haired pelts with fully developed wool. You should find these by Dec 1 and they will be better by Christmas.

Lots of November skins look nice, are developing wonderfully but lack wool down the center of the back. We’d often get big $$$ when we’d send them to NAFA but a lot of them will actually fall in the “underdeveloped category”. Closer to Dec 1 the better.

Season to season, grade will often reflect demand, hungry buying companies will be more gracious and overlook things than same buying companies another year that are full of goods and short on capital.

My favourite “prime” coyotes are the non-blemished skins amongst the late season collection. Fully grown max length hair, full and extra heavy underwool, espcially ona deep snow winter when the fur snow brightens.

pikeslayer22 10-10-2021 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Marty S (Post 4423833)
Always nice to determine what a person’s definition of “prime” means. Fully prime as in completely developed, fully haired pelts with fully developed wool. You should find these by Dec 1 and they will be better by Christmas.

Lots of November skins look nice, are developing wonderfully but lack wool down the center of the back. We’d often get big $$$ when we’d send them to NAFA but a lot of them will actually fall in the “underdeveloped category”. Closer to Dec 1 the better.

Season to season, grade will often reflect demand, hungry buying companies will be more gracious and overlook things than same buying companies another year that are full of goods and short on capital.

My favourite “prime” coyotes are the non-blemished skins amongst the late season collection. Fully grown max length hair, full and extra heavy underwool, espcially ona deep snow winter when the fur snow brightens.

Prime enough to not get docked for in prime.

Big Grey Wolf 10-10-2021 12:38 PM

prime
 
Guys if you review the trapping regulations you will find a page that lists prime fur for each animal species.

Marty S 10-10-2021 04:04 PM

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Marty S 10-11-2021 04:26 PM

I should clarify a little. Hate to cause a panic!!!

My statement, “do not harvest early coyotes” by that i mean the stuff pre-Oct 15. Some areas in the south that can also be inclusive of goods to Oct 21 and even some goods to Nov 1.

Depends on area and also the season.

If you wait til Dec, then most everything is real nice

Many Nov goods will be saleable, but if i was the person buying the coyotes AND making trim with them, id tell people i dont want nothing until December and i still might reject the Dec pups. Thats the Beasley in me!

Lotsa Nov coyotes are flat down the centers, on their backs, thpugh the sides are priming up. Take a Nov 1 skin, dried, and fold it over to see what a trim would look like. If the pelt doesnt have “body” down the center, as in no cushion die to a lack of under wool, then the skin is not “prime” from a hair prime ness
standpoint.

But definitely do what you want!

Big Grey Wolf 10-12-2021 11:06 AM

prime
 
Some people claim it is the 'angle of sun' that cause animals to prime up much like when elk rut starts. I for one have my own theory. I watch my springer dogs and horses in fall. It seems as soon as we get some real heavy frosts then within days they start to wool up with shaggy coats. My theory is the shivering is mother natures way of preparing their winter coats for the cold weather.


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