The Great American Ammunition Conspiracy
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I don't see a conspiracy, I've been following this on a another forum, people are hoarding the stuff to a point where some could keep the Ukrainian military going for a few months. :lol: People are scared and they have every reason to be.
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What are the reasons other than the mindless factions down there freaking out every time a Democrat gets elected president? "Omg..Kennedys going to take away our guns." Omg...Carters going to take away our guns." "Omg...Clinton....Obama.....Biden are going to take away our guns." "Waaaaaa." Sometimes Darwin was wrong and the good old US of A never misses a good opportunity to freak. They probably buy more guns so they can hunt down those dastardly baby eaters hiding in pizza shop basements. Hahaha. |
People buying larger quantities surely is a contributing factor. Consider too recent commodity increases for copper too, those raw materials aren’t getting any cheaper. As more people increase their ‘emergency stockpiles’, that effects commodity prices too. The electric vehicle market is a large driver of the surge on copper, and that increased need won’t be going away anytime soon.
That said, there are lots more manufacturers than the monster companies under Vista’s corporate umbrella, there’s Hornady, Barnes, Magtech, Black Hills, Sig, Fiocchi, Norma, Lapua, RUAG, etc. It’s not a monopoly or duopoly by a long shot. |
Reasons ammo supplies disrupted -
Remington went bankrupt, shut down 2+ years RIO shut down US production Covid shut down European ammo makers Kent, Aguila, RST, Challenger, Score, all depend on Euro components - I'm sure that I missed some Transportation disrupted Container shipping costs up 3-10 fold Raw Plastic supplies, sheet steel and brass stock in short supply Oh, and hoarding by US consumers |
Has anyone here looked at the last couple year's of firearms sales Stateside?
If not, you should. The numbers are staggering. And those toys need to be fed... My Brother is a federally registered dealer down there. He suggests while there is "some" hoarding going on, the main reasons for shortages are simply folks buying ammo for their latest toys. Our Canadian market is inconsequential in comparison. Nog |
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Couple of excerpts from a decent article below. Surges in U.S. firearm sales have in recent decades been predictably driven by events sparking fears of impending gun-control legislation, such as the election of a Democratic president or a spate of mass shootings, federal gun background check data show. Industry experts and academics who study gun ownership say such surges came largely among the gun-industry’s core base of white, male and politically conservative customers who often already owned one or multiple guns. Historically, white males are overwhelmingly the biggest group buying guns in the United States. Nearly half of white men in America own a gun, compared to about a quarter of nonwhite men, according to a 2017 study by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center. There’s not enough data to confirm whether those demographics have substantially changed with this year’s rush of gun-buying, three academic experts on the gun industry told Reuters in interviews. But it’s clear that deep political and racial divisions in this tumultuous year are driving up firearm sales, said Florida State University public health professor Benjamin Dowd-Arrow. In these tense times, he said, buyers across the ideological spectrum view themselves as the “good guys” protecting themselves from “bad guys.” “So all the ‘good guys’ need to go out and buy a gun,” he said Full link is here. http://https://www.nbcnews.com/busin...ction-n1243510 |
Hoarding in the US
My friend in Tyler Texas sent me a picture and a video The picture was of his shed, which held 1 million rounds of ammo.... The video was of his neighbors quanset. He was moving pallets of ammo. He bought 10 million rounds of ammo... Two retired guys in Texas. 11 million rounds of ammo. Tells you something..... |
Tells me as a friend of yours I'm being weak.
Doing the best I can though! :lol: |
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No media slant in that article whatsoever and yes there's more than just politics involved but that still doesn't change the fact that large spikes in firearms purchases occur every time a Dem pres is elected. Every one of the top 3 causes for it in 2020 speak to fear and paranoia. Bottom line. |
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Hah, my sister lives just south of Tyler in Bullard! Its humid there, I'd want better than a garden shed for storage, something climate controlled. If those guys could whittle themselves down to a mere 100K rounds each, they might be able to make a handsome profit on the rest, provided they bought prior to the price spike. |
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Dont have to convince myself. The numbers are well documented to back up the causes. |
Politics/legislation effects firearms sales in Canada as well as in the USA, when the restrictions started on the semi autos, the sales of similar rifles not specifically listed, increased dramatically. There are a lot of rifles that sold for the simple reason that they aren't restricted. And if you look at the prices of antique status handguns, they have risen to crazy levels, because of the antique status. As for ammunition and reloading components, there is huge hoarding here in Canada as well, talking to some of the vendors, sales are way up, with some people buying $10-$20,000 of ammunition or components at a time. It doesn't matter where people are located, they are buying what they can, where they can, while they can, and they are paying high prices to get it. Between covid effecting supply chains, manufactures not selling certain products to the public because of military contracts, or not selling components, because they are all going into factory ammunition, we have severe shortages, that will not be resolved anytime soon.
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That article was posted on the TS.Com before x-mass and beat to death by the members there, our friends to the south have blamed the hoarders and everyone from Biden to trump to the Russians and the greed of Vista and Olin depending on the day.
IMHO it has to due with the world economy in general everything is up 35% plus shortage of raw materials, shipping cost and hording all rolled into 1, the perfect storm, to go along with a monopoly by 2 companies. It is going to hurt the clay bird shooters and small gun clubs the most as this is the time of year for the start of the registered shoots, I have been in on 2 virtual meetings with the SATA and there is a lot of concern, after 2 years of cancelled shoots because of covid we now have this, ammo is up 30% from last year and 50% from 2020 the only difference back then was you could actually get some, now it's tough to find and expensive, add that to the increase in the price of fuel to get to the shoot, it's not looking good. :thinking-006: |
Ammo
There are many different kinds of currency. Some may believe in some situations ammo may be more valuable than silver, gold, oil or water.
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Google isn't biased. Do a search on it to see if firearms sales rise when a Democrat president is elected. Pretty simple but it doesn't seem like you want to hear the answer. Fyi they went up massively during Obama's tenure. Dipped down after Trump was elected. Those are facts. Throw in the race relations down there the past few years, the widening gap between right and left, add covid, and you've got the perfect outlet for American hysteria. But you feel it's because Remington folded and brass is hard to find and not that theres been massive rises in the numbers of firearms being sold and ammunition being hoarded. A very quick look at the last 30 years of American political history shows all you need to know. Doesn't take much to push buttons down there and it'll only get worse. |
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I’m joking lol |
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JT maybe. Plus the situation south of the 49th kinda puts us in buy now or dont get it mode. |
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You do understand Google is merely a search engine you can type a topic into and hit enter yes? I wasnt talking about Google News stories. |
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