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58thecat 01-02-2017 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by J0HN_R1 (Post 3431729)
10 lbs !!!

What a pig of a rifle... Does it double as a battering ram ?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/w...ic-660x160.jpg

Beauty rifle, up for the challenge and climate I am sure,

Not much difference in weight about a pound between the old rifle to this one.

Dick284 01-02-2017 08:24 AM

Military doctrine, is to have arms and accessories manufactured on your own soil. It's a logistics and supply chain requirement. Part of the ballooned price tag on these rifles is the absorption of manufacturing rights costs.

Far too much is being argued on such a small item. The price of this project pales in comparison to dollars wasted on trips to Paris, or funds sent to foreign lands, so more selfies can be taken.

FWIW the couple Innu and Inuit members of the Rangers I have contact with, aren't happy the rifle is in 7.62(.308), they woulda been happier with 5.56(.223). So much for the purpose built, consultation rhetoric.....

58thecat 01-02-2017 08:43 AM

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Polar bear...5.56 or 7.62....me I'd go with the later:confused:
These boys seem to like it.
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Dick284 01-02-2017 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by 58thecat (Post 3431821)
Polar bear...5.56 or 7.62....me I'd go with the later:confused:
These boys seem to like it.
Attachment 129328
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These guys have been dumping bears, walrus, caribou, and the like with .222's and Hornets. They are hunters, and prefer smaller holes in stuff, cuz the price on hides is better that way.

So you're willing to judge things by how the media spins it?

qwert 01-02-2017 10:07 AM

Serious question, does this rifle's action have a 6 o'clock ejector?

58thecat 01-02-2017 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick284 (Post 3431828)
These guys have been dumping bears, walrus, caribou, and the like with .222's and Hornets. They are hunters, and prefer smaller holes in stuff, cuz the price on hides is better that way.

So you're willing to judge things by how the media spins it?

Nope no media spins here can't trust 'em.

Just a personal thought is all regarding a choice of calibre and the critters they face from fox to polar bear, me the 7.62 is my take or spin on it if given a choice.

Did a stint up north with them in the 80's as a young soldier, they know thier stuff for sure.

quasi 01-02-2017 04:42 PM

Colt Canada is not making the receivers. I am not sure about the stocks.

purgatory.sv 01-02-2017 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick284 (Post 3431802)
Military doctrine, is to have arms and accessories manufactured on your own soil. It's a logistics and supply chain requirement. Part of the ballooned price tag on these rifles is the absorption of manufacturing rights costs.

Far too much is being argued on such a small item. The price of this project pales in comparison to dollars wasted on trips to Paris, or funds sent to foreign lands, so more selfies can be taken.

FWIW the couple Innu and Inuit members of the Rangers I have contact with, aren't happy the rifle is in 7.62(.308), they woulda been happier with 5.56(.223). So much for the purpose built, consultation rhetoric.....


http://www.army-armee.forces.gc.ca/e...ers/index.page

http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/en/4-crpg/patrols.page

A couple out of 5000?

purgatory.sv 01-02-2017 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick284 (Post 3431802)
Military doctrine, is to have arms and accessories manufactured on your own soil. It's a logistics and supply chain requirement. Part of the ballooned price tag on these rifles is the absorption of manufacturing rights costs.

Far too much is being argued on such a small item. The price of this project pales in comparison to dollars wasted on trips to Paris, or funds sent to foreign lands, so more selfies can be taken.

FWIW the couple Innu and Inuit members of the Rangers I have contact with, aren't happy the rifle is in 7.62(.308), they woulda been happier with 5.56(.223). So much for the purpose built, consultation rhetoric.....





Like your forehead :)

Battle Rat 01-03-2017 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick284 (Post 3431828)
These guys have been dumping bears, walrus, caribou, and the like with .222's and Hornets. They are hunters, and prefer smaller holes in stuff, cuz the price on hides is better that way.

So you're willing to judge things by how the media spins it?

If you have tanned and mounted bears then you realize that bullet hole damage from 30 cal and up is insignificant to the finished product.
If you are shooting a bear in the head for self defence, then the amount of damage caused should be the last thing you are considering at the time.
Even head shots can be repaired.
I'm not sure what the going rate is on a walrus hide is but I wouldn't think a 30 cal hole would not down grade it.
I would hazard a guess that the 303 served them well for years so dropping diameter would offer no benefit.

fish_e_o 01-03-2017 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by marxman (Post 3431726)
Then why does colt need a licence from sako to make the rifle

because colt is making the sako rifles??? :confused:

marxman 01-03-2017 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fish_e_o (Post 3432998)
because colt is making the sako rifles??? :confused:

Yes because colt is making the sako rifles. Thzt means sako is not making them because colt is making them. Colt is not = sako.. if you want to follow bergerboys analogy if norinco made a r8 blaser knockoff he would say its a blaser. Not saying the colts mwill be no good. Even if they are the same quality if the govt payed sako for building the rifles after colt made them colt would be pretty mad because they made them and never got payed. So i dont think its just me that says colt and sako are the not same i bet they would agree

fish_e_o 01-03-2017 03:51 PM

browning makes winchesters but they're still called winchesters

marxman 01-03-2017 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fish_e_o (Post 3433151)
browning makes winchesters but they're still called winchesters

Thats right.Carry on

Okotokian 01-03-2017 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick284 (Post 3431802)
So much for the purpose built, consultation rhetoric.....

Does the military regularly consult with troops about what weapons they would like? Which ones they prefer for their off-duty activities? ;)

Purpose built? What is the purpose? The rangers are mostly a "force" to prove that we have "military presence" up there for sovereignty purposes. They aren't going to repel Russian paratroopers. Anything that LOOKS like a weapon in pictures fits the purpose.

Bergerboy 01-03-2017 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by marxman (Post 3433132)
Yes because colt is making the sako rifles. Thzt means sako is not making them because colt is making them. Colt is not = sako.. if you want to follow bergerboys analogy if norinco made a r8 blaser knockoff he would say its a blaser. Not saying the colts mwill be no good. Even if they are the same quality if the govt payed sako for building the rifles after colt made them colt would be pretty mad because they made them and never got payed. So i dont think its just me that says colt and sako are the not same i bet they would agree

Someone translate. I read this one 3 solid tries and am having comprehension issues.

marxman 01-03-2017 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Okotokian (Post 3433259)
Does the military regularly consult with troops about what weapons they would like? Which ones they prefer for their off-duty activities? ;)

Purpose built? What is the purpose? The rangers are mostly a "force" to prove that we have "military presence" up there for sovereignty purposes. They aren't going to repel Russian paratroopers. Anything that LOOKS like a weapon in pictures fits the purpose.

Thats right if they think their wolf pelts are more important than their ranger purpose perhaps leadership is lacking

sikwhiskey 01-04-2017 03:49 PM

10 lbs without scope ......no thanks. Hope the rangers are happy with it.

Battle Rat 01-04-2017 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sikwhiskey (Post 3434013)
10 lbs without scope ......no thanks. Hope the rangers are happy with it.

Ya, I would think you could shave a pound off without compromising strength.

bb356 01-05-2017 01:47 AM

10 round magazine !!! :sHa_shakeshout::sHa_shakeshout::sHa_shakeshout:

58thecat 01-05-2017 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sikwhiskey (Post 3434013)
10 lbs without scope ......no thanks. Hope the rangers are happy with it.

1lbs diff from old to new no biggie.

Okotokian 01-05-2017 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sikwhiskey (Post 3434013)
10 lbs without scope ......no thanks. Hope the rangers are happy with it.

They're just shooting at game from the skidoo. Weight irrelevant.


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