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So why does your calculator use peak pressure, rather than the exit pressure? The truth is, the velocity is a factor of the area under the curve, not just peak pressure, or exit pressure. |
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S000oooo... not to hi-jack the thread... but does anyone have some 60K psi +/- 156 - 160 gr loads for a modern action swede???
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Yes, I do . Do you have any RL 26 ? |
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I will give you a hint. Look at the graph you posted. https://i.imgur.com/eYt5ETL.jpg |
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Are you telling us that that 60,000 does not represent the peak chamber pressure used to estimate the velocity? So what pressure does that 60,000psi represent? |
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If you were to measure the "area" Under the blue and red curve's they would be the same. The red line reaches peak pressure much faster then the blue one. The red line pressure spike is 60,000 psi and the blue pressure spike is 56,000 psi. The bullet in the red curve is loosing velocity while the blue one is gaining velocity (IF the test barrel was longer, chances are, the blue line bullet would have a greater velocity in the end).
Also the red line rifle would recoil at a much higher velocity and would slap the user much harder, where as the blue line would be more of a gentle push. Throat erosion would also be much higher on the red line then on the blue as well as bolt thrust and other unnecessary abuses of the action and barrel etc. Yes, in the diagram both bullets leave the muzzle at the same speed but I know which powder I would choose. |
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The reason peak pressure is used is because it is the peak pressure that will blow up your gun. Salvee you are kind of out to lunch on your train of thought. All powders burn differently that is why they were created to boost performance of a cartrage. With your ideology we only need one type of powder all from the same lot number for every one. That is the only way we will get the same velocity with the same pressure. The case is the weakest link in a loaded and fired gun. That is usually what gives out when a gun blows up and hurts some one. A blocked barrel is a cause too but that is a whole new kettle of fish. Some powders have similar velocities but one usually takes more powder to reach the same velocity and pressure. Elkhunter11 made a good point using the Hodgson manual as the 30-06 uses a wide variety of powders.
Stob if you know some guys with Quick Load they can find you 60000 PSI loads for the 6.5x55 with various powders. |
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Just to let you know, the Choir is on a break right now, but thanks for the info. Good Stuff ! |
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Yes, I use a graph and other data from Quickload and a Magnetospeed chronograph to verify results. The results[ from Quickload are simply approximations, but are more accurate and consistent than guys like Elk and his "facts" will ever be. That's why they are becoming so popular. If you guys have a problem with the real world , contact the authors of QL or any other good internal ballistic program and either prove them wrong or write your own. Chirping back and forth on an internet forum to prove a point might be fun, but it doesn't change a thing.. other than a post count. No offence intended, but I will be so bold as to suggest you and a few others obtain a good program like QL or similar, use it for a while, and report back. Fair enough ? |
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So much for 60K
I was out to the range today, Looking for the start, of signs of hi pressure, in my swedish mauser 96. The first small sign of excessive pressure( primer just starting to flatten) with the 156gr bullet was at 2580 fps or about 69k psi pressure. This is 200 fps faster than factory loads. And the rifle did not blow up. Oh well it did pass the Swedish pressure test at 66K.
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Now, for the sake of teaching me a lesson for being so stupid for even daring to mention it, will you, or Elk ,school me precisely, on what the problem is with using net muzzle pressures to consistently, and accurately, determine the resulting muzzle velocities.. I'm listening. |
Salvee as I said before the peak pressure is the most important pressure. You said it your self it is a safety concern. Going over max pressure is looking for trouble or death. There are so many affordable chronographs out there use them to determine your velocity that is what they are for. Muzzle pressure will not tell you velocity any way because a 20 inch barrel with the same muzzle pressure as a 26 will not have the same velocity. I think it is time to quit beating this horse and get you a chronograph. That way you will know the acyual velocity and be guessing off of muzzle pressure and Quick Load. I like Quick Load but they even tell you their out put is an estimate not to be used as the bible for reload info.
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It is a far cry from the program QuickLoad is. At least you can calibrate QL with a number of specific parameters, including velocity, bullet, powder, case capacity, etc to match your loads. In the consideration of safety I hope other reloader's don't use the OP's program for information... |
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