And while your at it, because you seem to want to call me out for it, can you post my recommendation for the CM on game?

Seen 5 Grizz one day in k-country. If you chase sheep and mountain elk you’re no stranger to grizz sightings. I rarely found a drainage where there wasn’t fresh sign or I saw one. Rarely. Only got out once this year to show an old friend what sheep look like on a mountain. Found him two rams and a wolf but not legal and wolf was in a park. Anyway, I spent a few years solo camping for 6 day stretches in the same place with a bear that the guy got attacked recently while eating his breakfast and sadly a few years prior to that I walked out a guy that that bear chewed up his tent and kept him up all night running him out of there next morning. I never had an encounter luckily but we knew each other was there. I also met Rick Cross the year he got his nephew(I believe nephew?) when they got that ram together, was part of that day. I also saw Rick the night before he was killed by a grizzly, we both slept in our trucks the night before the opener and hiked different drainages in the am. I came out, he didn’t. At least I’m positive I saw him pass me just before bedtime and looking for our place to sleep it out before home time. I’ve spent my time, never had to shoot one and in fact haven’t had any close encounters but I hunt alone and I’m paranoid so I’m not very quiet, I don’t want a surprise. I don’t want those experiences, I act as though I could run into a bear anywhere anytime all the time. Been in on about 8 sheep, three my own. Lots of elk etc.

There’s a few pros that keep judging but most of it isn’t even relevant to the discussion. Their own issues really.

Comparing a 6.5 cm to. 300 win mag is like attacking someone’s religion. Like the 300 wm is legend...May as well be the JC of cartridges. So I expect this...however...not afraid to put the actual data on paper despite the known barrage of attack. There is not a single thing wrong with the viewpoint presented. To think there’s a big difference between increasing the diameter of a needle by a few percent as compared to the something the size of the quilt you’re pushing it through is hard to explain due to the previous institutions. Not trying to dethrone anything here, just educate what seems so obvious to those trusting the numbers that actually gave some of these things the reputations they have. We just weren’t sure exactly what numbers did what they did. We know more now. I just presented a different way to see that. 1/4” needle or 1/3” needle to a 10 square foot quilt is really that big a deal eh? The quilt can tell? No...that needle with same velocity and sd is going the same distance.

At least have the respect to get a name right on here...are you in grade 7? We must be beyond this no?

I’m assuming he friends with a mod...... only thing I can think of. It’s really getting old, in fact he even went posting this garbage in other threads just to get a rise out of this one.
I really hope he is a 13 year old kid and his parents are out for the evening.

How be that i ask you I ask you provide a reliable reference to that "fact" ..

Use bullets,not needles or friends, or things you heard.

S.D. is everything!
 

Now I get it. :fighting0007:

http://www.fredbear-online.com/POD/Momentum.pdf

Suggest you read ALL of this first if you plan on responding

Who we talking here? Need to narrow it down

Did you happen to read Stinkys moose thread? I didn’t notice you post on it that I can remember?

Anyhow, just curious if you caught that one.

Xbolt7mm

You guys all gotta relax, there is nothing going to be said in this thread that has not been said in the last three. I’m sure most of you all know that. SC is correct on the SD then elk is correct about SD as the bullet expands as well as the size of the wound channel, someone else was correct on the foot lbs, yada yada yada, same stuff as on the other half dozen CM threads. Ya know if it was like the 243 threads that used to pop up every few months thats cool but really guys 1-2 days apart week after week, no one here hates the cartridge (or charging grizzlies) just the way these threads go about it. I’m sure the stuff i posted bugs some as well as the pro CM bugs others. Stinky knew exactly what would happen as soon as he started the thread simply by the title alone. but for the love of hunting guys, this is going no where. Bash away

Shortened this one up for you. Sorry you had to type so much to get that across.

PS I helped you make a more correct statement at the end. It works in a simplified world now at least!

I take it mom and dad came home...., it’s about time.....

After all that, thats all you got? Your only posts on this thread are about me and yet you judge, chuck, Kurt and stinky at least have a dog in the race and jump on me accordingly and acceptable.

Yes, i saw that.

At how many yards does each round drop below 2000 foot pounds of energy?

So have you come up with my big game recommendations for the Creedmoor yet? I don’t mind being called names or being called out, but at least have the courtesy to back it up.

please re read the above threads and point out where I called you out or called you names

I usually don’t contribute to threads like this because I really don’t appreciate 13 year olds flapping there mouth and confusion what I said with what they believe.
But I will contribute.
I have shot the 260 Rem (not the CM) long enough to see the benefits of it, I have also had my fair share of flings with various magnums to also realize there benefits as well. I’m not a long range hunter so all this really means nothing to me, the difference of any of these rounds to 300 yards isn’t much. I’m old and not much of a magnum guy anymore.
I also think the relation between SD & penetration means absolutely nothing with today’s bullets.
Sometimes, most of you are saying the same thing but in different themes, and argue about it. Makes me laugh.

I think it’s a pretty legitimate request.

Which is exactly why I mock these threads with sarcasm

Does it really matter what the headstamp is?
Shouldn’t the main focus be to consistently hit the vitals?
If you can’t hit the vitals you probably shouldn’t be using a magnum

You read the epic 6.5 moose thread?? You know, the three shot grouping of liver, ass, and horn?? Yeah magnum alright.........

Ya, saw that one. The one where he shot too far back, then shot it in the ass and then in the antler. :rolleye2:

And all at a whopping 125 yards...

Persevere ......... good.

Perseverate ........ bad.

Which is also why I let people with more knowledge about the subject post. As you can see I don’t have much on the subject so I don’t post. Most guys like me can and like to learn from the guys who regularly shoot long range.

With the Hornady bullets listed by the op, the 147 grain CM is about 175 yards and the 200 grain 300 win mag chart maxed out at 500 yards and was still at 2066 ft lbs

This is exactly my distaste for the 6.5 fanboy's obsession.

Pretty enlightening wouldn’t you agree?

There was a few who didn’t think a Creedmoor was a suitable deer cartridge let alone a moose cartridge.

I was present for 3 moose kills this fall and 2 deer and one elk. Rifles used (in order) were a 300wsm (moose running at approximately 150yds on first shot hit in the liver, made it about 80yds before stopping, a follow up shot in the lungs dropped it, then a third shot was taken from point blank to dispatch animal. Second one was a moose in the hump at approximately 200yds with a 300 win mag, it dropped on the spot but required a finishing shot from point blank. Next was a moose in the hump at 393yds with a 260rem, dropped in its tracks and also required a follow up shot from point blank range. Then onto deer season, sons buck shot in the neck from about 160yds with a 270 win, buck down right in its tracks, required a follow up shot from point blank to dispatch. Next was an elk, shot in the hind quarter at a ranged 427yds with a 300 win mag, second shot was through the front shoulders dropping the elk, a third shot was taken from point blank to dispatch animal. Last one I was present for was a deer, not ranged but estimated at around 300 yards, 280ai first shot was in the boiler room, deer stopped but did not fall over, second shot again in the boiler room, deer still did not tip over, third shot in the antler because shooter thought shots were hitting low, deer was quartering away so antler was in line with vitals, deer decided to lay down, no further shots were required.

Moral of the story, most of the people I know shoot 300 magnums, but they don’t kill any faster than a 260, 270, or a 280 on moose, deer or elk at ranges of 0-500yds. My son has a late season draw for elk so I will update the story in January when my son kills his elk, see how it matches up with the elk kill I was present for.

2 moose and one deer I watched drop in their tracks this fall, only one was hit by a magnum and as luck would have it, all 3 required a follow up shot from point blank. The only animal out of the six which did not require a follow up shot from point blank was shot by a 280. I’m not gonna say the 280 is the best big game cartridge in the world but..... :)