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The fax number on the survey sheet doesn't work....lol
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No i read it. I've hunted in BC as well. What you not getting is if they allow XGuns in the Bowzones then we as Bowhunters don't have a season anymore. You are correct however about me getting hot under the collar. I get worked up when people post comments that are only for there own gain and blatantly could give a s*** about the consequences. So i say, you want to be classed as a bowhunter. So, go and get a BOW and keep your toy crossbows out of the Archery zones! :) |
now that we know more about the crossbow, its real capabilities afield etc. how long do we ignore it and keep an obvious 'bow' in with the guns?
seriously, when should we finally acknowledge an obviously misplaced tool? is your answer just plain and simple 'never'? would that sound smart? how long do we ignore the obvious and pretend it doesn't exist? |
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Angler. Why and how can the ABA "embrace" these crossbow hunters. A. the tools are not bows. B. the shooters are not archers. C. the B. in ABA means BOW HUNTERS. You might as well ask the International Game Fish Association to sanction and support Xbow hunters, the differences are that real. Sorry Stinky, the only ones pretending are the ones that are too dumb to realize, what they want so badly is thiers to have. There need not be any world war to get it. Buy bows fellas, shoot them, and enjoy archery. Millions of adults and youth across N.A. do. Whats your excuses? Edit. Youd think the bow hunters had asked that these that wish to bow hunt shovel pig sh*t. Look at them all scatter and look for a mechanical way to do it. You know boys, the work is 99% of the fun. This instant gratification world is a sorry place aint it.....? |
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I say keep the xguns with the guns and leave the bow in the Bowzones. I have yet to hear anyones reason for wanting a crossbow classed as a bow? Its because they don't want to learn something new and would rather just pick up a gun that shoots arrows and get a new season. Still would love to know why they can't learn to shoot a bow like the rest of us if they want to hunt in the bowzone. If your handicapped and physically can't draw a bow then i can understand, other then that whats everyone else's reason? Lazy maybe?:) |
there's been zillions of reasons to include it, out of time but i'll be back to this...for the zillionth time!
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Separate 2 week season for xbows and muzzle loaders......... 3 weeks prior to the regular bow season.:evilgrin:
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Now if that's not a question that has been put forward 100 times, 100 different ways without a single answer for the Xgun hunters, would someone step to the plate with an answer!!! |
Why do xbow and muzzleloaders need there own season? Hunters can use both weapons during the rifle season. It seams like when it comes to antlers you can through some peoples brains out the window. This whole big buck syndrome has gotten carried away. It seems like some individuals want all the advantage they can to harvest the biggest animal out there within the rules. If a separate xbow and muzzleloader season is needed move it to the end of the rife season and give out the unsubscribed tags for does that are available. We have a great opportunity to harvest trophy animals in Alberta right now. There are some great genetics in our game animals. I know our hunting is the envy of many areas in north America. Why ruin a great thing. I know that change is "cool" but in some cases the best is left as is.
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1. for the option to another 'like' tool to be used in 'like' seasons...as a matter of commonsense 2. it is one size/strength fits all bow, the advantages of this alone for all wildlife certificate holders is huge imo 3. introduction tool, to have something that can be used more ethically quickly by a larger number of wildlife certificate holders is a huge plus for our hunting sports, we all know how most vertical bowhunters first season generally goes....buy lots of arrows right, and we won't go there on the poor shot placements that often and almost usually go with those first couple seasons, the ethical standpoint alone one could use as a strong point by itself but thats not one of my own personal reasons...and thats all i'm giving(my personal reasons) 4. economy, as used as an introduction tool (if say...a guy is the type to always promote and introduce as many people to hunting as possible), being one size/strength fits all means one doesn't have to purchase and have on hand a bunch of different bows in different draw lengths and different poundage ranges with different draw lengths again and the tons of different arrows etc. to go along with, so one could always have something on hand to take someone new bowhunting and it wouldn't matter what size or shape they were or draw length and you wouldn't risk going through everything required to set up a vertical bow only to have them not interested in the sport once they've had a go at it further to the above...kind of like i always have spare guns to take people gopher, coyote and sometimes big game hunting but i'm much more passionate about bowhunting and would rather a more convenient way to introduce people into those areas and seasons where i play the most further notes: i already know what a boatload of the rebuttles will be, same old stuff so will try to snuff a bunch of it out with the following to save yall some typing... first, a couple quotes i grabbed from a quick couple googles "Fact: The only advantage a crossbow has over a conventional bow is that it holds the bow in the drawn, or ready to fire, position for the shooter. While shooting a crossbow is generally easier to master than shooting a vertical bow, it cannot be argued that it is just plain easy. The crossbow hunter must have the same woodsmanship ability and nearly all of the same shooting skills as the vertical bowhunter." and when you research the differences between crossbows vs compounds you find this same conclusion over and over and over...it is a fact that in the hands of hunters the kill ratios are basically identical to the compound....which proves the point its 99% hunter and 1% tool...much like the last sentence of above quote says... "Fact: Any experienced crossbow hunter will tell you that there are many ways to make a bad shot with a crossbow. First, if a crossbow is not cocked perfectly straight, it will not shoot straight. If the bowstring is pulled even 1/16th of an inch to the right or left of center, that difference can translate into a six-inch error at 20-yards. Additionally, like any conventional bow shooter, a crossbow shooter must maintain a proper stance, control breathing, squeeze rather than “jerk” the trigger, steady the entire body, and follow through (watch the entire arrow flight through the sighting mechanism) after the release. And finally, the crossbow hunter must also be a good judge of distance" Any of that sound familiar boys? Sounds just about the same amount of effort and tuning/setup ability as doing it with compound....its not the walk in the park yall make it out to be....yall make it sound like the thing will run the animal down and kill it in its tracks when you pull that trigger. Not so.;) "For me the most troubling aspect in the whole crossbow issue is seeing how much energy hunters exert squabbling about the pros and cons of crossbows. Meanwhile, these same hunters blissfully ignore the real issues that threaten our hunting heritage. Wouldn’t it be wiser for us to be more tolerant of each other and pick our battles with the ones that really threaten our way of life instead of with our own?" i think this guy has a pretty good 'big picture' of this......eh? and there is so much more to show how much more versatile a compound is than a crossbow, they are cumbersome, the pain in arse and slow to load making them basically a single shot, they are louder as a rule which means your even less likely to get a second shot despite how long it would take you to arrow one of them up.....no thanks, for me it makes a great introduction tool but i sure don't plan on hunting with it myself...i love my compound, another reason i really like it is for the weaker (read young, old, small stature...whatever) can shoot similar power/ke to us big strong boys hell bent on keeping it a mostly 'big strong boy club' another point....if yall are shooting compounds now...how is it you have any legs to stand on in this fight period? don't think the same fuss was made when training wheels came into the world and wanted to be classified into the same category as longbows and recurves? this is exactly the same thing only the difference in performance from compound bows to the traditional gear is absolutely massive....the difference between the compound vs crossbow is basically SFA (sweet f___ all, in case you hadn't heard that one before:D), so it REALLY baffles me on this point alone.... your shooting basically indentical equipment (triggers/power/accuracy) etc. and the facts all over the continent prove that and yet you fight it simply to keep the club smaller...there is only one answer as to why that is....its selfishness....and its okay to be selfish about what your passionate....doesn't make it right, better or good for the rest of the wildlife certificate holders imo anyone else have any reasons that might be different than mine to want the crossbow in where it should be? |
I like ya Stinky, but you can take that whole thing and shove it.:evilgrin::wave: I dont like this nonsence one bit.
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i can see i left a little wiggle room for the argument to shoot off bipods/rested etc. in regards to the not being quite so easy to shoot as often made out to be....well, in this regard i'm going to head to the 'ethical' standpoint, if there was a bow for people to get started into bowhunting then this crossbow is IT! thank goodness you can rest them or bipod them!
that being said....when you come to full draw and anchor, which anyone not into archery won't know is.....its almost like being rested, holding a bow out with one hand trying to aim it seems like it would be hard but its like a little piece of stability heaven when you draw that thing back and tuck into your anchor....doing the kind of shooting i've been doing with rifles lately i have no problem saying that there is no way i can hold a crosshair through my riflescope on target freehand as steady as i can hold a pin on target with my compound bow....so once again, thank god you can rest crossbows or they might just be a waste of time only when i'm rested over a pack or bipod etc. with my rifle can i get as steady or steadier than i am at full draw with my bow then there's the 'yeah but you can't hold your bow for as long as you can lay prone and wait' argument etc. but then we get back to the 99% hunter vs 1% tool.....if this difference was such a deal breaker then harvest stats would show it....but they don't.....so there how many more of these silly little arguments can i rebuttle here before they take off again? i'm sure one or two more edits might be coming as i think of the usual rebuttles to come :innocent: |
You really should consider used cars Stinky. Maybe even vaccum cleaners. Youd be great.
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and for the record, i wanted to reply as soon as i saw the posts....the kids are in bed now and thats the truth....so don't be thinkin i worked on that all day....yall would switch sides if i had all day:wave:
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so we'z gots the facts....and now we'z gots the opinions....we got it all now baby....yeah......life's goooood |
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I am useing my dad for eg. He has a licence to use one know do to his sholder.He bow hunter for 20 years. never killed anything.he went out this year with me and killed 2 animals with his cross bow that we not easy shots.but with the tripod on it it was way to easy for him.He said I wish I could have used one of these for all of those years would of kill lots of stuff.That is another reason. Someone that hunts with one agrees with what we are talking about.I have my fact so do you.This is a no win battle but I do think some should be aloud to use them but not everybody. |
one last thing my brotha's......there is nothing lazy about bowhunting period imo....the crossbow is no different, might shorten your rangework time a bit in the pre-season but all that scouting/hunting/treestanding/blinding/hiking/scent control blah blah blah....those 99 million other things that separates the talented hunters from the masses etc......its still the same range you need to get within, sure the elite will learn their equipment further than the masses....no different with any other tool....but the elite with compounds will run right with the elite with crossbows for range, the elite killers with compounds will be just as elite if you put a crossbow in their hands....not more effective....because its 99% hunter and 1% tool
and the kind of work that goes into say getting inside of 50 yrds of game and for the trophy guys....inside say 50 yrds (just overall average number i pulled from a hat that will apply to both bows...proven/documented...look it up if you don't believe me) of the big trophies.....is the kind of work that doesn't fit the term 'lazy' its bowhunting no matter how you slice it, shaving a bit of range time doesn't make you lazy as thats really nothing as compared to what it takes to consistently get inside bow range of game.....and as said so many zillions of times....the most hardcore of us will be shooting compounds anyhow....i doubt you'll see anywhere near the amount of high end talent taking up crossbows as you will with compounds....so the old realestate addage of 10% of the realtors make 90% of the money will still hold true....the most killingest of trophy hunters among us will almost certainly still be doing it with compounds....the more hardcore among us will be using the compounds imo |
Stinky your on the right track,thought I would stay out of this one but I think SC has it right
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