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If only all parents were like you, this discussion would not be happening. Unfortunately, as we are all very aware, they are not. Hence a bill that is designed to protect students. |
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Not bashing or anything, I just want to see it from a teachers perspective. |
Fair question. This bill is about attending GSAs. I have already said that wild horses could not get me to supervise this club, thus I would never have to lie to a parent. Furthermore, this bill would allow me to truthfully say, "Even if I was aware one way or the other, the law does not allow me to divulge that information."
It is really no different than a doctor not being allowed to share medical information. Sent from my LG-H812 using Tapatalk |
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Short answer: Talk to your kids every day and involve yourself in their lives. Be available 24/7 for advice. Observe how they think,what they do,how they deal with their problems,what they come up with for solutions and how they interact with their peers. Being on their side if they have suffered an injustice is important but leading by example is the foremost job of a parent. Being a proper parent is one of the hardest jobs I was ever tasked with. The state`s obligation with regard to teachers (payed to do so)is to teach (the 3 R`s)and educate the children to the parent satisfaction, not make moral judgement law and rule.:) P.S. Raised 2 children as a single parent. Both in their 40`s now, both successful in their careers,family and farms.:sHa_shakeshout:
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Moral Agrandizing
Lots of moral mudslinging going on here. Telling someone they are a bad parent because they dont know if there child is gay is quite harsh. Who gives you the right to appoint yourself the arbitor of good or bad parenting? So if I am hearing those who support this correctly, your saying that the moral position of supporting homosexual values trumps that of traditional values that many parents want there children to have? Fine. I get your point. Just understand that your making a value judgement. You are also assuming that your values are superior to those that have served our society for hundreds of years.
Please dont come crying to me when the moral degradation of the very fabric of who we are as a people collapses around you. Dont cry about rural theft and crime. Dont cry about peodofilia in our society and culture. Dont cry about viloence and murder. You have decided that our children our not to be taught values by those who gave them life, there parents. The state is now the one who should tell our children right from wrong. Prepare to reap the whirlwind. |
^^^ no need to get Old Testament on us here. There have been parents failing their kids just as long as there has been parents supporting them. And whether you like it or not some of the moral fabric things from the last 500 years need to go anyways!!!
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This bill is an example of the “tolerant” left’s intolerance. “Support my ideologies, you bigot!” |
Let me get this correct
The teacher is not required to answer questions a parent has about there childs sexuallity and can an will keep this secret. That is moral and good.
How bout if the teacher and the student are having sex? Is that moral and good? Would you feel you had the right to know what 2 consenting parties were doing? Would you dare to make a "moral judgement" about this situation? If so what gives you the right to judge one of these situations as being acceptable and the other as being immoral? Please define the standards that you use to push your morality on others. |
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However I also see numerous threads on this forum about people breaking into there homes or farms stealing the hard earned goods of the victims. I see people pontificating about mass shootings. I see people complaining about pedofiles in hollywood. Yet here we stand at a major cross roads. Down one path we have the government saying that they no best. Down the other is the path trodden by our forefathers that is based on the Jeudo-Christian ethic. I think the problems I mentioned above are directly the result of abandoning the path taken by our forefathers. I could be wrong. So could you. I just see our society in a state that mirrors Rome before its collapse. |
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EDIT: the decline of Rome happened over hundreds of years. |
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I have said my piece. I object to this legislation. I have made my points. In a free country we are all permited to present our arguements. Mine are not convincing. I accept that. I just hope that those on the opposite side accept responsibilty for the consquences of thiers.
Thank you for the dialog and Goodnight. |
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Man alive!!, teachers are now allowed to keep secrets from their parents about whatever questions parents might have about their own children, but the teacher couldn't give the child a Tylenol if they have a headache without the parents permission. What next!! Send me back in time please!!
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Said a teacher to a parent...If you believe only half of what your child tells you about me, I will believe only half of what your child tells me about you:)
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You lost me tho towards the end. Are you drawing parallels between gay kids and rural crime? Or GSAs and murder? I'm not sure how pedophiles came into the mix at all?? I for one am ok with Bill 24. I've got 3 kids oldest is 14 youngest will be 10. I don't expect their teacher to tell me every group they're involved in. I know because I talk to my kids. I do expect to be told if they're in danger and the teacher sees it. Which the bill allows for. Why the panic? Way to much tinfoil hat material around here lately. Rock and roll didn't destroy the world this won't either. |
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This thread has taken a few bizarro twists on page 3, but no one is personally insulting anyone, so continue the debate...
BTW, lest anyone think that mods are no longer allowed to join in, you are wrong, we just have to put on our super sonar heat shield undies for the blowback. This is one I feel strongly about, largely because many people's positions are informed by sound bytes, which often are erroneous factually speaking, so I will gladly join in and offer what I feel to be the perspective of most teachers. What is really crummy is that both parties have politicized this thing to the hilt. Though no legislation is perfect, this one is designed to protect students at a difficult point in their journey through life. |
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If your child can't tell you they're gay due to your religion - there's the problem. If your religious beliefs are getting in the way of you seeing that your child is gay, then who is raising your child? You, or your religion. If your religion is raising your child - that's why the comment of a bad parent. Cheers |
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Some have different moral values than others. Because some of us think differently, does that make us wrong? |
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It feels like the discussion of women having the right to vote and blacks sitting anywhere they please on a bus is happening again. I am sure people in the future will look back and wonder why it was an issue to begin with. Moral values should be about accepting people for how they were born rather than trying to modify them into who you want them to be. Sure I get that parents want to know about their kids but it isn't up to a teacher to tell them. I am fairly certain teachers aren't required to tell parents about yearbook committees, book clubs or any other clubs for that matter. If self harm or the child's safety is an issue than absolutely parents should be involved and notified. The teachers have more to worry about than what kids belong to what clubs. |
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