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23% increase sounds about right to me. Don't have a calculator handy Same increase every year for another 6 years yet. Ouch |
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The only one that makes any sense is PP. |
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I disagree he would hurt his chances, if his ideas are our salvation, he will be rewarded for these. The carbon tax has been around since 2007 / 8, there better be a plan, what are the Conservatives waiting for ? This is politics, not a poker game. Hope you realize the voters he needs to attract don't follow politics, they simply vote on feeling... So waiting to show your cards is foolish, if there is a plan let it out and lets discuss the future and attract voters to solidify a majority government. Quote:
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Trudeau will literally just give out money to buy more votes, and most voters who don't follow politics don't understand where that money is coming from. BUT.. turd just bought a vote. |
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Open to a better option if it exists. Any suggestions? |
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Many people apply the 23% to the pump price, this is incorrect. It's another game used to bolster a position, again these politicians need to be put in check and use factual numbers people understand. |
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The current carbon pricing stands at C$65 per tonne, slated to rise to C$80 per tonne on April 1. Then it will increase annually thereafter by C$15 until reaching C$170 per tonne by 2030. Price in Canadian dollars. 23% Not sure what part of that you are not understanding/having a problem with? If I was Pierre I would continue to do exactly what he is doing now, drawing attention to the pain of citizens. Axing the tax is a plan by the way. It will get fleshed out when the writ is dropped, why would he say what the plan is now. If green energy is more efficient, if it is not now I believe it will soon be, you can bet the farm energy companies will be using it, capitalism on display. |
Axeman says AXE THE TAX!
So I for one would like Shedhead to explain to us the virtues of this carbon tax in his own words. I would even like to hear why he would think that this tax is better than no plan at all. Sorry man, and I hate to lay this on you because I do think you are a thoughtful and intelligent person, but your posts do come across as a defence of Trudeau's plan. I will check back tonight. |
Logic vs emotional thinking is what will get Trudeau re elected
Reading this thread has high lighted exactly what is wrong with Canada. People don't understand the logic behind what PP is doing they are just reacting emotionally. Unfortunately we have be programmed to be more emotionally reactive vs logic thinking. What just happened makes sense, call out and put the light on those that will follow Trudeau and Singh blindly for their own benefit not those they represent. As for the 23% that is the actual increase so he is calling it what it is, it is not fear mongering it is stats. Again people have to look at the big picture, take the facts presented and logically think through vs our initial emotional reaction. As hard as it is we need to go back to our logic portion of our brain. Social media and the mis information we are fed through the media has sculpted us to become short term and emotional responsive.
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So I'm wondering what plan you might be looking for?
The Carbon Tax is not about reducing carbon consumption - it is just another example of the Clown Prince posing (and sticking his hand into your pocket for more money to p!ss away while simultaneously making Canadian industry noncompetitive in the international market.) Canada and Canadian business are already well down the path of carbon reduction. The current regime has blocked the most pragmatic means of carbon reduction, which would be allowing coal fired thermal plants to be rolled over to natural gas. Fugitive methane emissions can be dealt with through catalytic burners in the exhaust stream and the heat recaptured. This would assure that the lights still go on when folks flip the switch. Unfortunately the current gang of clowns are led by an ideologue who has no grasp of either economics or practicality) and who is stuck on the idea that fossil fuel use must be punished (except if he needs to fly off to a conference somewhere to pontificate on why fossil fuel is bad) sadly, he has so far been unable to contact Harry Potter to aid in his quest for zero emissions electricity. Poillievre has said that they will scrap the tax and will encourage companies to invest in low carbon technologies including micro nuclear all this without killing the Canadian economy. What's not to like? |
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As the the people that aren't paying attention, and that can't figure out what a 23% increase in the carbon tax is, those are the type of people that elected Trudeau three times. |
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It's like some of you feel Pierre's plan is proprietary and he will paten the idea :) You do realize that if the conservatives get elected, there plan will be scrutinized by all. I guess we are so use to the system we just accept inept governance by all. Quote:
Does it work, yes and no. The plan has pushed other technologies in the right direction, but at the same time created greater wealth division. There is good and bad in everything, I do not support Trudeau, nor the tax. The older I get, the more concerned I am for the future of our country and our children. I don't like games especially when it affects my family. Enjoy the rest of your day. |
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Secondly the carbon tax is absolutely going up 23% not 3 cents on April 1st. This is not a scare tactic. If you want to challenge that put your money where your mouth is and guarantee all canadians that the carbon tax is going up 3 cents. So if NG goes up its 23% and equates to more than 3 cents will you cover it? How about coal is it going up 3 cents? Heating oil will only be 3 cents? Diesel? Propane? Its going up 23% not 3 cents. You need to actually read or get informed about all of the plans PP has already laid out, you won’t read about them in the LPC pamphlets you receive from your party of choice. Also you have said a few times that cancelling it with no plan is a bad idea as a solution is needed. The cancelling is the solution. Nothing else needed. |
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It's kinda facts. Saying 3 cents would be more of a libber or dipper tactic, makes it sound smaller I suppose. Easy to pull the wool over voters eyes. Kinda like mailing out rebate checks rather than knocking it off your taxes lol. |
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Over 1/3 of the voting population sure drags down the average IQ of Canadians |
I am really sick and tired of this climate emergency bs or this carbon capture/reduction bs. :sign0176: Carbon -or CO2 - is not a pollutant! It is absolutely necessary to sustain the life on the planet! More co2 is better! We don’t need to build the underground storages for it, this is a pure madness and a huge waste of money!
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See my response to Elk above, the tax is not linear. What about the eastern provinces where the carbon pricing was relaxed on heating oils, is this 23% ? Quote:
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The way the Liberals explain the carbon tax it doesn't even sound that bad, you pay and you get a rebate. But that is not the whole picture. Businesses also pay the tax and they don't get a rebate. So lets use a loaf of bread as an example, the seed producer pays the tax on drying, treating and moving the seed, the farmer pays the tax on getting the seed to his fields and all associated costs with raising the crop and getting it to market. The flour mill pays the tax on their energy usage, the bakery pays the carbon tax on the energy usage and delivering to the grocery store, and the grocery store pays it to heat and light their building. So that grain has been carbon taxed how many times before it gets to the consumer? Guess who pays those costs? The people were willing to give it a try, but now they are hurting, I mean really hurting.
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Yes the price of heating oil goes up this year by 23%, your Liberals aren’t collecting it for political reasons. Its also canada wide and it wasn’t relaxed, it was postponed. What are you carrying on about linear? It goes up every year until it maxes out in 2030; then they likely increase it to 2040 and it has achieved zero. Even your Liberals can’t answer how much carbon it has reduced, which is none. |
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Lets get something straight here, I do not support the Liberals. I used the term relaxed to describe the heating oil situation in the Atlantic provinces, some call it a retreat, you call it postponed. I think you got the point but want to be argumentative. Explain to me how Atlantic Canada pays equal taxation to heat their homes than we do in west ? They don't because the carbon tax on heating oils was "postponed" so it does not apply to their heating bills. So how can this tax be linear ? Another example would be myself, I live rural and consume more gasoline than many who live in the city. Some of these city people live in apartments, don't have cars and their utilities are included in rent. Guess what, they receive rebates most likely greater than the direct cost of this carbon tax. Where is this linear to my situation ? Yes the increase in the carbon tax is set per ton, but the effects to individuals is not linear period. Have a good one. |
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A brief recap of PP's general plan for when he is voted PM.
Absolutely nothing he hasn't said Many times before. More detailed responses have been made by PP many times in the past. If you haven't heard this before, then you weren't listening or only watch/read media that will not or print show it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPrCbHx6rNg |
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Linear has nothing to do with anything. Its a consumption tax. You consume carbon, you pay, then justin sends cheques to leeches and the ill-informed and they think its a wonderful idea. Where did you ever think you got reimbursed on your consumption? It was never revenue neutral, that is just what you LPC pamphlets said. So Atlantic Canada pays exactly the same amount to heat their homes as us. So if you are in Nova Scotia and use NG you pay the same carbon tax as an Albertan heating with NG. Now if you use heating oil in Newfoundland you pay the same carbon tax as an Albertan heating their house with heating oil; which currently is 0 until after the 2025 election. It just so happens that 85% of heating oil consumed in Canada is used on the east coast by leeches that vote for bribes. If you want to reduce your carbon tax convert your furnace to heating oil, you won’t have to pay carbon tax on it either. |
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