Speaking of Timothy Mcveigh, how many people did he kill without firing a shot? Guns don't make killers, they are born or created, and a gun is just one of many tools. I'm all in favor of stricter licensing requirements. Yearly medical/mental health checkups, and you can own any gun you want seems fair to me. People that should be allowed to own guns can have whatever they want without society having to "trust" them to be good, and the crazies that really shouldn't have something that dangerous readily available will not be able to legally own/obtain them. Still leaves guns in the hands of the criminal element, but thats a whole other issue that really has little to do with laws as those they seek to control ignore them anyway. Banning something because of what it is capable of is extremely short sighted, and will have very little desired effect except robbing honest law abiding people of something they truly enjoy, whatever aspect that may be.
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No, he used a bomb because he wanted to blow up a symbol of gov't, and kill hundreds, not dozens. The point is that crazy people have unfettered access to weapons that can facilitate the killing of too many people.
If that kook in Colorado would have had to stop to load his clip, then maybe some courageous person, or gun-toting citizen could have taken him down, or shot him. But the guy had smokebombs and the modern-day equivalent of a gattling gun. Something has to give. And don't tell me that the Founding Fathers in the US, when authoring the 2nd Amendment, envisioned the modern weapons, or violence of society that has come to bear in the last 50 years. |
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Honestly folks, this conversation is a great one. So far no one's calling each other a gun-grabber, a leftie, or any other derogatory epitaph that just cheapens the talk. As a newbie whose had some opinions challenged and changed, these are my views.
These firearms are out there. I do not call them guns, assault weapons, rifles; they are firearms. The people who would prefer not to have any firearms in the hands of private citizens for whatever reason do not know or care about what distinguishes a .22 cricket or a kalishnikov. They want to tighten down regulations and laws and choke out the right to own firearms one little bit at a time. This particular branch of firearms is getting a bad reputation. Misuse based on a few instances and their resemblance to military firearms has people questioning why we "need" them. That to me is a good question: why do we need these firearms? Most are useless for hunting. They resemble the firearms used in combat. There are quite a few questions that people ask. Why don't we ask some of our long(er) range shooters why they need a larger caliber or a rifle capable of accurately hitting a target beyond what's normal in general hunting? Frankly speaking, if you're hunting only, you don't need a huge rifle to take the vast majority of game on this continent. How about why we need any caliber after a .308? It's pretty effective. After a while, we're down to three firearms: a .22, a .308, and a 12 gauge. You can now pretty much hunt every animal in Alberta with these three firearms. Now that we've limited our choices to these, why stop there? There's too much unnecessary variety: all will be made by one company and you'll just have to make due until someone decides otherwise. This is, I believe the slippery slope that we will be on and the people who want us to all hold hands, enjoy nature like it's a Disney movie, and have no firearms whatsoever will use our own arguments against us. They will, as in the case of the discussion of Booth baiting bear, use our own division and say, "see! Even in the firearms community there are those saying these guns are bad!" These various firearms, more specifically the branch that are more "military" serve another shooting discipline, other then trap and skeet, other then black powder guys, other then target, silhouette, pistol, etc. there isn't a thing that I would hold back from these guys who want to target shoot with a "black gun" or practice and participate in a three gun event. These are valid uses of these firearms as is the guy who wants to add something different to his shelf and shooting time. If you wish to add more restrictions, that's something we can debate. However going along and banning a firearm because some segments within our community are using them improperly is punishing a legitimate portion of your fellow enthusiasts who've done nothing wrong and is faulty logic. Quite a few similar comparisons exist but I won't throw them out there because they're so overused it's insulting to all our intelligences. Punish the guilty, not the responsible ones. |
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if you don't believe me you can look at the restrictive laws in countries such as Australia- they even outlawed 22 semi autos! I could care less myself for AR type rifles, SKS type semis, or anything else for that matter that is not a single shot falling block (unless it's a match rifle) BUT- I will defend the rights of those that want to own them, hunt with them, and shoot them. Cat |
Mag size limits idiotic, why is it more dangerous ?one type of gun more dangerous than another think not! Restricted. - non restricted who is the moron that dreamed this up . I swear to be a politician you check your brain at the door . I belong to a hunting club in town that preserves land for future hunting but nothing to forward the rights if gun owners
One is not much good without the other .I would like to see an ad put into the Toronto star , by a firearms association . What do we have to rely on but a one sided opinion from our so called media Let's put some money together and take out ads that voice our opinions and our rights as canadians ,not swayed by poor media coverage that focuses on the wrong ideas.the recent Toronto deaths tragic yes but by whom no- one will step up gang related no one will talk to the police why a family member maybe go back to where you came from if that's how you choose to live your life , we didn't ask you to come. there has to be stiffer penalties for gang rated gun possession 10 years no parole on each count then we will see the s#%t storm . Anything but positive attitudes towards gun ownership relates as bad publicity for us all , yes everyone has an opinion but be careful what you wish for , it's a slippery slope. We have to act now to get the right info out there and cannot rely on our vote to do it , vote for who ,to do what , they are all idiots after there own agenda let's do like the USA and find someone and buy our way in .the end is nigh. |
Mekanik you hit the nail on the head. :happy0034:
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My opinion is, as I have already stated, is that we have struck a good balance in Canada with our current legislation, and the gun registry debacle that was just put behind us, shows that duck and deer hunters are not the problem. I'm happy with the progress that has been made. |
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Since when does everyone obey the rules? When was the last time you sped even though you saw the signs on the road? |
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I agree we all must stick together, at this point I am not a pistol or "black gun" owner but ill stand behind those who do when the antis come knocking as I hope they will for me.
I can't see how mag restrictions can do any good, its all about how well you know your weapon. when I first got my A7 I had a :angry3: of a time dropping the mag out of that.....then I got to know my rifle. If I took my .303 and put a round in one mag and 2 in anther, 75% of the time you wouldn't be able to tell witch one I shot first (going off time between rounds) also can we try to get way from the term "assault rifle" no buddy here is talking about taking C7A2 out to the range I hope |
I recommend that some of you actually look at the material of the Coalition for Gun Control and what else we are up against.
Realize that after the "assault rifles" (illegal anyway(, semis and handguns they will go after your "high-powered sniper rifle". Make no mistake about that. These people have emotional issues with any gun whatsoever and if it were up to them you will be hunting with a single-shot rifle with a max range of 100m. I am not kidding and I am not exaggerating. Secondly, if anybody could provide me with a shred of evidence that any form of gun control works I might be convinced to listen; there is no evidence. People who are set on committing crimes are not obeying the law, simple as that. Gun control is a reflex by people who have emotional reactions to guns in general and used by politicians who either have no real solutions or whose rose-coloured world view is collapsing in the face of the reality around them. Case in point is the recent stuff in Toronto: nobody in their right mind can really believe that taking legal handguns from IPSC shooters or 22s from Olympic competitors will make one bit of a difference with the gang problems? Trouble is real solutions are very difficult to come by and will involve questioning cultural and social issues that nobody wants to touch. |
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Any firearm owner who wishes for even a little more control over firearms is not helping the cause. When the government starts moving in like the predator it is and begins confiscating firearms, know that you assisted them in their efforts. |
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The first successful yote hunt I had 4 come out of the reeds at the same time, a semi auto woulda been handy as the reeds were 60 yrds from where I was sitting, why cant I use a gun that can shoot more then 4 rounds for varmin?? How does it make you feel that I turned my SKS (you can get 20 rnd mags for em) into a tactical unit with a 5+1 uptop, And I plan on using it for my deer this year?? its a "scary looking" gun yet it is legal to use for hunting. the ONLY reason the sks is not "classified" as a restricted weapon is the ACTION PLATFORM!!! The ACTION PLATFORM of the gun does NOT Depict the actions of the person behind the gun!!! I have heard of people being murdered with a cooey single shot .22 why arnt they banned because people have died due to being shot in the head with these. Its really simple, they arnt scary cause they only are single shot and a hunting rifle style. The idea of a style of rifle causing crime/murders and other public outcries is FRIGGEN STUPID!!! How many states have handguns as a legal means of shooting game??? how many of those states where crimes are commited more with knives then guns??? Scrapper, knives cause more crime then guns do, will you be happy after we have to take our game to a facility to be processed after harvest because "knives" are dangerous?? Where do you draw the line??? Like I said the idea of banning/restricting a rifle due to the platform is stupid. Again my SKS looks pretty close to an ar and can shoot just as fast, I can also get extended cap mags for it and shoot FMJ rounds, fold up the stock, ect. How is this gun different from a R15/25, M16 or any of the other AR platforms???? I think this is more of a rant then a question, but if you could answer the questions I gave you with legitimate answers, that make sense, I will listen. |
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Coalition for Gun Control- which represents many smaller groups including the association of police chiefs. NDP Party Liberal Party |
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Canadian labour congress - http://www.canadianlabour.ca/news-ro...g-gun-registry Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police - www.cacp.ca and for humour's sake, here's a link to one of their documents as to why we need registries. https://www.cacp.ca/media/news/downl...pedposting.pdf these are three in a hasty google search operating in Canada. |
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The really unfortunate part is that moderate people, who don't personally own guns, but who are in favour of gun rights for responsible people, get scared by this type of rhetoric, and lump us all in the same boat. In the end, this makes them more willing to accept the views of the minority who want to ban guns. |
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So a big thank you to scrapper for coming on here and showing us all his true colors. Nothing like outing yourself for everyone to see. :lol: |
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Wow! Your inate desire to escalate until ejaculation has once again left a mess. Nicely done Scrapper. :sHa_sarcasticlol: You might want to see the doctor about this condition. No self control, No guns for you. |
Also thinks about a snipers percentage of hits vs semi auto.
Good snipers hit percentage is probably 90+ % With a semi most guys just cut lose and miss everything. So should they go after our more dangerous scoped rifles? |
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