Wouldn't it make sense to lock down the centers with a higher than normal # of cases? Ahem...Calgary...cough cough. Nobody in, nobody out. Be selfish not to.

I talk with a huge amount of people every day in person and not on the internet, and I would honestly not give it even a 1 in 10 that are truly “scared” of the virus and even out of those, most concur that the fallout from what we have done in an attempt to arrest the spread is going to be far outweighed by the final results in so many other ways that people just don’t seem to consider.

There is no doubt this virus is having some Immediate and direct negative and dire life and death effects to some people in the population, but the fallout of our approach also has some severe and dire life and death effects to many others as well. I guess my question is “what makes one set of affected lives more or less important than others lives who are affected in other ways?”

Yes, people are and will continue to die or experience permanent damage from the virus, but how come the other fallout is largely ignored by the mass media, powers that be, or even just the general population? Things like suicides and mental illness (which is just as real an illness as covid) from the financial hardships. Things like the monies that are needed to save lives in other ways being redirected to support the shut downs. Things like the life saving surgeries that are not happening. Things even like simple screenings that are not being performed so things like cancers are not getting diagnosed and treated (I personally was just denied my annual physical and prostate screening that I do because my father died of it so I am careful).

The list goes on and on and anyone with even half a brain knows it does but the masses completely gloss over it and have the attitude that if we don’t look it isn’t there. I just don’t get it.

I understand the fear in the populace is real, but why the heck do we have to be in one camp or the other? Why can’t we all realize both camps have valid points and actually try and walk the middle ground rather than committing one side to idiocy and the other to righteousness? This entire thing is a tragedy, but not just because of the immediate sickness. Too many lives have been affected negatively for very valid reasons on both sides.

I don’t have all the answers because none of us really know the concrete truth of the entire thing at the deepest levels, but the fact of the matter to me is people need to stop relying solely on everyone else to do give up everything for them. That isn’t to say we don’t reasonably help our neighbours (speaking metaphorically) but it is about time people do start taking a modicum of personal responsibility upon themselves rather than demanding other conform for them.

and that is why your handle is head damage

15 minutes ago Charles Adler talk show host eastern Canada said 450 thousand operations cancelled in 2 months for cancer and so on

if you thought wait times were long, just wait

Please help me understand why post number 11 does not matter.

usually you are smarter than this

New York has a subway

Let me repeat for those who take a while

New York has a subway

you could not stop the spread of anything unless you close down the subway system

Well said Bob. Particularly that bit about the moderate middle ground, and personal responsibility.

Shh! Not so loud. Heads will explode!
The wilfully blind and those that toe the party line are experiencing it differently. :sHa_sarcasticlol:
Only they understand the gospel according to sparkle socks and company; double standards don't apply to the glorious leader. The free money doesn't hurt either. In fact, it does wonders for buying toys and ensuring short term memory loss.

Not many subways in Brazil...another hot spot. Or Spain or Italy...they tend to have above ground systems as we do.
It boils down to those that reacted quickly got off lightly...rapid transit and subways are hugely popular in both South Korea and Taiwan....they acted quickly and got off lightly.
Or do you have another explanation.

And that is directly due to the very actions people are railing against. If you don’t think the Dina Hinshaws of Alberta (cause she isn’t working alone) aren’t taking these things into account, well... go do the training and take over. Stop pretending you know better than they do. That’s why they went to school for as long as they did.

Sweden has 28% of Canada's population.

Deaths per million population = 384. Canada deaths per mill pop = 172.

Sweden's test rate one of the worst in Europe which is amazing considering their tax rates.

There’s definitely lots of lessons to go round. I’m guessing the next set of exams for public health specialists will have a lot of questions about this situation. I don’t really care about WHO, but I guess the public health people have to. I’m more concerned with things like “why didn’t our government close the border to the US faster? Why didn’t they close travel from infected areas in general faster?” Yeah, I know. There is a price to be paid when you close your travel to China, or the EU, or the USA. Political considerations are made.
As we see on this forum, it wouldn’t matter what decisions were made, the experts in the public would say they are wrong.

So what would be right? Brazil’s situation? New York’s? Lots of different management styles to look at. Who decides what the best result is? This is why politicians are paid. They are SUPPOSED to make decisions knowing they have no right answer. Make the best they can.

How do we fix this?

Simple.

Follow the guidelines (they have been discussed at length - so everyone knows what they are).

Do that without a bunch of sniveling and things will soon be back to normal.

x2

by laying around and continue to complain.....nothing new.:(

This is absolutely wrong.
The governor of New York Cuomo, on March 24 put forth an order that elderly living, senior centers etc could NOT deny anyone admittance who gas tested positive or is already suffering from covid. He put fuel on the fire in the closed in petri dishes.
Also the declaration of no elective surgery in area hospitals... in the US hospitals treating ventilated covid patients get a government stippend of over 30k. Npn ventilated case treated within 11k. This explains why there is so much falsifying deaths, which has been exposed.
In those hard hit areas of new york the population is 27k per square mile, made up largely of immigrants, homeless and low income folks who dont have the immune systems many have.
There are many other inaccuracies but the long and the short of it is Cuomo was terrible at the helm.

osky

Totally in....MMMMM....Chinese food, and the we all go fishing after:sHa_sarcasticlol:

Well Italy average age of death is 81.... take a look at texas or florida or even california... texas and florida barely shut stuff down and have small numbers compared to NY. In NY over 60% of new cases were from ppl in isolation. There is actually very little correlation in the entire world between being very strict and low covid numbers... now you can handpick a few places where it does correlate but you could also handpick a few where very little restrictions and very low numbers correlate. Just remember correlation does not always equal causation

What?

Cuomo and his favourite mayor have a lot of blood on their hands.

Even with the gong show south of the border, fatality numbers seem to be decreasing every week. Looks like the numbers peaked from late March until early May. Appears population density played a huge role.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Here in Canada, over 80% of the fatalities were in long term care facilities, so it seems like there major problems in LTC's. Sad that so many of the people that helped build this country are treated so poorly (as are the veterans). Our government would rather focus on sending the money out of the country, or hand it out in various forms of welfare to buy more votes.

First rule of Covid 19. Quit watching CNN.

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So i take it alot of you are more than willing to put your parents at risk it not near the threat to the younger

First post? I'm supposed to believe a 'new guy' did that as a first post? Hmmmm. I call 'recycle'.

Anyway, back to how do we fix this? Wear your mask. If you want. Don't, if you don't want to. Social distance. It's easy as most people are actually objectionable, it seems like from this forum. Wash your hands, and cough into your elbow. Unless you don't have to cough. Stay at home. Unless it's essential that you go out. All these things will flatten the curve. Unless there is no curve. It's a horrifying and deadly virus. That has a 99% survival rate. But if you are vulnerable, demand that the entire economy of the world shut down and people go on welfare. Instead of just demanding that the vulnerable be looked after with any modicum of concern and care. And all the people that have other health issues that need attention but can't get it (like my wife) because everything got shut down for the Pandemic....too damn bad. Stop complaining, this is a serious situation. Except for the vast majority of humanity. But we will bankrupt you and then you'll see this is serious.

Did I miss anything that health care experts and clever politicians have said?

I don’t live with my parents.

Agreed.

You can do your part by staying in the basement to avoid contact

We are the guinea pigs because they do not have a model for viral lockdowns.
This is the first time this has happened.

Late 50’s and late 60’s when the H1 & H2 we did not have lockdowns or the same social media coverage and 1.1M and 1M died from this viruses. Herd immunity prevailed.

Yes Florida Sweden and many USA states. 6 I think did nothing and have very few cases

Montana. Also.