Nice try.

6.5 CM fits in Magazines and holds 48.0 grains compared to 46.8 of H2O in the 260 seated with the same COAL:
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The success of the 6.5 CM is more to do with the superior design that fits better in modern magazines as it will seat to the lands. As well Hornady have come out with great 143 factory hunting loads and 140 factory target loads. It looks like RL 26 will make it really perform.

Clearly an inferior design for the Heavy bullets:
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I have a 260rem and a 260imp, no need for the Creedmore in my safe.

LC

Thompson Center Compass
 

I picked up one of these in 6.5 CM.
Super accurate with Hornady 129gr IL North American Whitetail loads.
I shoot my Tikka in 6.5 x 55 Swede more though.

One nice thing about the 6.5 CM, in just the last few months, is good factory hunting loads available at very reasonable (30.00) per box. Combine that and a Wby V2 and its a heck of a good hunting rifle. Good luck!

If your only getting 2800 FPS with a 6.5x284 I would be doing some more load development. There’s normally a node at 3000 FPS
26 nosler is another 350 FPS gain above that

Ammo availability is really a non issue in North America for any of these calibers

Personally, I’ve seen a lot of animals have an extremely high will to live. I’d rather have a front quarter with major damage over wounding something. I just think for hunting here, There’s better options

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I simply pulled two factory loads from the same manufacturer, which is really beside the point. The 6.5X55 with factory ammo has a lower muzzle velocity than the creed, and it's a legendary killer with well over a century long track record. In fact, I would say it's in the running for best "punch above it's bore size" killing power of any rifle cartridge out there.

Comparing the creed to hotter 6.5's is a straw man, it can do what the swede has done so effectively, and for so long.... to worry about it's effectiveness on deer size game is absurd.

For God's sake, people love the .243 for deer, which I consider marginal after a tough kill that I made a good shot on. You would be the first person I've ever heard question the 6.5x55, which is in effect exactly what you're doing.

You are completely out to lunch. Completely. Experience, real experience, is a great teacher. With some you will clearly understand that what the CM can do with suitable bullets at those speeds are more than sufficient for most game that walks this continent.

Ya, anything under a 338-378wby is a recipe for disaster....... LOL!!!


So what if it's so over bore it burns the barrel out inside 300 rounds, a guy needs at least 80gr of powder before risking a shot at a living animal.

I know the sarcasm is spread pretty thick here, but some of the arguments against the Creedmoor are crazy.

Thanks to those who recommended rifles for me lol ....

Let’s not get bogged down in the actual question at hand. Laughing.

Buddy I know nothing about you, and you definitely know nothing about me.

Last time I checked, posts on a forum have zero correlation to time and experience and success in the field..

You can run your yap all you want

Only reason I’m on this forum is for the buy and sell. All these threads are flooded with key pad experts so I typically avoid them. I figured I’d share some insight other than the typical bs from the google search experts.

Good luck with your creedmoor. When something gets away, which I hope doesn’t happen. Remember this conversation

Need has little to do with why most of us buy new calibers.....lol

Marky,

The thing is, is its true that in an average mans hands, on an average hunt, there is nothing that a 6.5x284 can do that a Creedmoor can't. A 6.5x284 is a semi hot rod cartridge, but the only real life advantage it has over the Creedmoor is a slightly flatter trajectory. 0-600yds and the Creedmoor shooting a 143gr Eld-x will be carrying enough speed and momentum to allow the bullet to fully perform as intended, meaning it will have the speed to mushroom the bullet nicely and the momentum to give it enough penetration to mess up the vitals.

I smoked a deer in the shoulder with a 300wsm and it got away. Is the 6.5x284 a more lethal cartridge than the 300wsm? I highly doubt it, but the point is, if you hit an animal right it dies, if you don't hit him right there are no guarantees no matter what gun you're shooting.

I guess if one is selective about both quarry and distance I could agree with that. However,experience has shown that not to be the case with my 6.5x55 and it's a bit more of a hunting cartridge than the CM. It's pretty easy to overrate the CM with all the hype flying around these days.
It does it's best at what it was designed for.

This makes me laugh.

https://youtu.be/IOo6gprtKeA

That video is exactly what I've been talking about, even shows an elk kill at 600yds! Makes me feel even better about my choice.

My plan was to get an all round rifle that I'll use year round for everything, and I plan on putting a pile of lead through the pipe. Easy on the powder, easy on the shoulder, hard on game, and bucks the wind better than most other calibers. Great for shooting paper or anything from a coyote to a moose.

Dweb, I'm sure you'll love the Creedmoor, I know I will.

So why are the top leve; F-Class shooters not using the Creedmoor?

http://www.bergerbullets.com/SW_Nati...-list-open.pdf

I'm guessing because it's not the best choice for F-class competition shooting?


Lol, what do you think??? I'll go back and read but I didn't see where Dweb stated he was looking for an F-class rifle.

How many of those F-class rifles you figure are used for hunting big game? I'd venture to say about none. How many barrels a year you figure those rifles go through? How many hunters do you know would want to go through the hassle of swapping out barrels or turning them down?

Nobody said the Creedmoor is the best f-class cartridge did they?

Unbelievable. I mean really.

That is from the Southwest Nats in the States .
I don't think the 284 Win is the favourite up here but I will have to check .
One thing that must be kept in mind is that the Creedmore was designed around a different class of shooting than F Class where action length is a non issue . You likely will not find many rifles chambered in 6.5 Creedmore being used in Three Gun, 300 meter Free Rifle , the Williamsport light gun or the Internationsl Sniper Concentration either just to bake a few more ......
Cat

It just seems odd, that a cartridge that is supposedly so superior in design, was not represented by even one shooter. If a cartridge is really superior, you would think that shooters at that level would be using it. And given that the 6.5x47 and the 260 rem were represented, makes it even more of a mystery.

As was stated earlier, one of the criteria the Creedmore was built around was action length, and in Fclass thus is a noon issue.
There are many other factors in play as well, not the least being the bias of certain top shooters for a particular cartridge , action, or in the case of Fclass and bench shooting, even the rests being used.
This also translates to PRS, three positition, etc.
Barnes said it best years ago in one of his Editions of Cartridges of the World
" Just because the Screaming Garbanzo Bean is the crowd favorite at your range does not mean it is going too catch on in the next county".

Personally speaking I think the 284 Winchester is an interesting cartridge
but find it equally amusing that it has regained popularity in a discipline, as it has the dubious reputation of having spawned far more popular wildcats than its popularity as itself.


As far as the cartridge in question here goes, where the 6.5 Creedmore is headed is anyone's guess, but as far as any big advantage it has for me personally there is none, it's a 6.5 caliber which I like but as far as cartridge length for chambers and mags go it's a non issue for me because I shoot mainly single shot rifles.
Cat

What makes the 260rem and the 6.5x47 Lapua superior to the 6.5 Creedmoor? Here's a guess, I think it's because the Creedmoor is relatively new and most F-class shooters that are shooting that size of 6.5 cartridge already have reloading components set up for, and are used to the dope of the 260 and 6.5x47, that there is no sense in switching for such minimal difference in performance.

Now as far as average Joe goes, they would be foolish to choose the 260rem or 6.5x47 lapua over the Creedmoor because the over the counter ammo availability is already way better than both the other cartridges even though it's a much newer cartridge. Wait ten more years and look on the shelves, I bet it'll be one of the most popular boxes of ammo you see.

Competitors at that level would gladly change dies and cases if it gave them a measurable advantage over the competition. As for the dope, the difference is so small, as to be meaningless. As for the availability of factory loads, that is a result of marketing, accurate factory loads could easily be produced for the 260rem and the 6.5x47, if the manufacturers chose to make them.

Not really dropping the 7.62 they are still going to use it. Looking at certain elite units switching to a 6.5 round. They also were looking at going back to 7.62 over 5.56 as a standard round last year or so. They also are looking at 300 Norma mag for applications. They resurrected the M14 platform as a marksman rifle. Doubt they will ever just be done with 7.62.

Hornady did a very good job in marketing. It is popular because snipers hide website really pushed it for them as a competition round for PRS. It would be interesting to see if it actually been as popular without that website . 6.5 were being used before but it was really the creedmore that pushed them mainstream in the last years.

I just want to shoot a deer in novemember. I am by no means looking to use this competitively........

I see a lot of "if" in your post. I believe I stated there was minimal difference in performance, hence why it wouldn't make sense to change.

If if if. If means nothing, the Fact that the manufacturers chose to make the Creedmoor ammo and not the 6.5x47 or the 260rem is all that matters here. IF they chose the 6.5x47 or the 260rem I would have picked the one that they chose, BUT they chose the Creedmoor didn't they. So did I.

Maybe Elkhunter11 can explain to you why the CM would be a bad choice for that.

Ok, a little more in depth than what I had heard. Basically they said that the 7.62 was going to be used as a training tool for their snipers but real world be be the 6.5CM, jump to the 300WM, and then the 338Lapua, and then the 50.