Plenty of inocent people have been killed by the police in no-knock warrents, TPS better have a good reason to use this tactic.
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Many times people who live next door to Hells Angel's clubhouses would describe them seemingly nice people who never cause a problem and are good neighbors. All that means is you don't crap where you eat.
If I was to speculate, and I will, cause that's what we do, I would think the TPS is there because its bigger than the local force. The victim is a gun smith. Was he buying, selling, modifying weapons that he shouldn't have been ? Was the "customer" actually a customer or an Undercover cop making a pre-arranged buy and then signaling the boys outside once the illegal merchandise was produced ? If the cops were watching the place, which they obviously were, they would have waited for the customer to leave. The SWAT guys weren't there by accident and its no accident they were not local. If I had to guess, the victim here was involved in some stuff outside of legitimate, run of the mill gunsmithing. I won't speculate on what happened once they were inside. But thats just where my head went. |
First of all, my condolences to the family...
Secondly. to all the Monday Morning Quarterbacks...give it a break. Nobody knows what actually happened here by way of media information. Let's wait until all the facts come out in Court... Then we can all discuss this...just saying...:) |
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Non condoning anything just stating the facts. |
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As for the previous comment about what it takes to get a warrant: this originated from Toronto, home of Bill Blair's cult of "guns are bad". I doubt that a getting a warrant is very difficult when "bad guns" is written on the request form. |
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but I'm just speculating again and we shouldn't be doing that. |
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So no, I'm not unclear on the difference between the two types of warrants. And also no... I'm not trying to change the narrative... Some days I forget how testy and personally invested we as members can get into threads. I'll refrain from the humour in the future. |
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The only other thing I'll add is this. Whenever someone is killed by police, all we see in the news is what a good boy he was, and how he was just turning his life around. I'll reserve all judgement until all of the information is released. I'd speculate we know <1% of the information, and it would be foolish to form opinions based on the lack of information. |
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Copied from IPSC Ontario web site: “My friend was murdered on Nov 3rd. This was my friend. He was 100% Legal in every aspect of the gunsmith firearms business. He stored everything properly. Norfolk County OPP were NOT even involved in this. This was Metro Toronto Police that decided to serve a search warrant. They came up to the house while Rodgers wife was unloading groceries from the car. They took her down to the ground by force with automatic rifles. They then proceeded to the garage where Rodger was sitting at his bench working on a gun. At this time a customer was with him seated a few feet away. The Toronto Police burst though the door shooting Rodger once in the neck and three times to the chest. He was dead for no reason. If you knew Rodger you know he was a calm person who could talk to anyone with common sense. He was a renowned Gunsmith who was known to be able to fix the unfixable. Norfolk police(OPP) knew him well and were some of his best customers for their own firearms. He was also on first name basis with the RCMP and OPP in Orillia (Where the CFO is.) If the Toronto police had notified the OPP, they would had gone with them and this would never have happened." |
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Truly sad.
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no knock warrant on a 70y old? No other options?
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And is clear from this thread there are many who see two of the three parties you mention as less than beyond reproach, so who wants to wait and see four year from now at what 'they' have to say? Sadly a man important to the IPSC community was killed in his house. |
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I posted a while ago about the possibility of Canadian police shooting folks when they show up at homes to remove prohibited firearms in May 2022. Many laughed it off. I fully expect this to be repeated numerous times in Canada in the following years. Peaceful citizens WILL be shot dead by police for not giving up property that they legally purchased and possessed.
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Apparently the TPS did not notify local OPP detachment that they were executing a search warrant.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...0-year-old-man |
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early onset Alzheimers? drunken rage? someone pizzed him off by not paying and he threatened them? rival gunsmith had him SWATTED? hidden drug use and dealer called him in? Long serving history of turning evidence to keep clean record? HA ties? Did he spin around in his chair with a Glock and bear down on the officers? EVERYTHING is a WAG (wild ass guess) To say 'oh no way' to anything is pure conjecture, plus we may never find out the reason for the no knock, and what actually happened. Live video from the house or officers is the only way we would know. |
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Sounds to me like Toronto's mayor got a hot tip into record breaking homicides that parallel our crime minister's narrative.
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