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I know when I bought my HSLR it was the most expensive scope I owned or any of my friends owned. I was proud of that fact. I was also proud that it had every feature I have ever wanted in a scope. With FFP as the primary purchase point.
I babied that scope. Because I wanted it to last, it was going to be the last scope I ever bought. I kind of take offense to someone insinuating that I purposely broke or complaimed about the scope. Simply put I am hard on my equipment. Rifle falling out of my gun boot at 80km/hr off my quad. Getting all scratched up. Guess what I still have that $400 rifle and $380 scope. Both look worse for wear. But both function proprely. My Vortex was mounted on top of my Tikka 30-06. Shot well for the first couple hundred rounds. And broke. New scope same thing. If I hadn't lost my shirt on that Vortex purchase and ammo costs to site in, verify and redo all over again I would have a different scope on my rifle. Guess what I have the package scope Burris 3x9x40 on it now. Waiting for the day I can afford another thousand or so bucks to buy a new scope. Might even go to 2,000. I know this for a fact anyone insinuating I broke on purpose or just wanted to smear Vortex is a idiot and has never met me or know how excited I was when I first purchase that scope. Nor do they comprehend how dissapointed I was when I had to admit defeat and swallow my pride to my friends when I dismounted that scope and put it up for sale. I was Vortex this and Vortex that. Convinced them to buy binos and range finders.which by the way have worked flawlessly. I think it was a scope qc issue. But the frustration I had, was unbelievable. |
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Only partly true. It convinced me to buy and sell a couple of hundred Leupolds over my lifetime and I have probably influenced 5 times that many people into buying them over the last 40 years. |
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My personal philosophy, Don't buy anything you do not need, but if you need it, buy the best. Quality and good design are always the best value. Buy once, cry once. Good Luck, YMMV. |
Leupold and only leupold for me. Not much different warranty than vortex but my experience is one rarely needs leupold's warranty. I want something I can trust when or if that once in a lifetime opportunity happens. Perhaps once vortex is around longer that trust may come. Nice to see different options though.
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I used to be 100% Leupold, but I grew tired of the varying eye relief as the magnification is adjusted on the 1" variables, and I won't pay more for equivalent optics. I have little experience with Vortex. but I see no reason to even try them, given that they are more proven optics for the same price. |
Well I for one am happy with my Vortex products. Started out with Diamondback binos that I used for a few seasons, happily. Then when it was time to get a range finder I decided to stay with Vortex and am happy with my choice. Neither product has let me down, in fact I decided to upgrade my optics and went with Vortex again.
I kept my old binos as a spare and "truck set" and treated myself to some Razors and glad I did. I spent hours and hours looking through different high end binos side by side and could see little if any difference between the Razors and binos costing a lot more. The only exception was a pair of Leicas that were twice as much and while they were better I couldn't justify that they were worth twice as much. I also upgraded my scope form the one that came with rifle to a Viper. It is just a standard 3x9 "hunting scope" but I am happy with it. It held zero from the previous year and I'm able to shoot 1/4" groups with it. Okay I shot one 1/4" group with it. lol :) Point is it works great for hunting and has good eye relief and light gathering capabilities. So I'm a satisfied customer so far, I also like the peace of mind that the warranty provides. I too realize that you must be able to trust and rely on your equipment and so far Vortex has not let me down. Maybe I'm lucky or maybe I don't put enough rounds down range to experience some of the problems that others have? I typically take less than 5 shots per year with my big game rifle (and scope) so I may have just dodged a bullet but so far so good. :) |
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Pssst ... I just heard a rumor that all AOF members will get a Vortex '10% Off' coupon, emailed to them for Christmas! :47b20s0: Now ain't that nice! :sSig_cool2: Mac :) |
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I can't understand why company's can't make a product that work at any price point. If they can't do it on entry or reasonably priced scopes, do not make them at all. Stay with your expensive line. Otherwise if your entry line does not work why would I spend more of my earned money with the same company. I am not blessed with big incomes so I can't spend the big bucks for great scopes so I have to depend on the lower priced stuff. I still use my first Leupold M8 6x from over 30 years ago with not one issue. I recently bought a Nikon Prostate 5, hopefully that will work for me. I did not think twice when I returned to Leupold for an FX3 6x because of the performance on my old one. Any way all this to say build them right the first time and you will have us as repeat customers for life. Just my thoughts. |
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Interesting marketing strategy from Nikon! :thinking-006: |
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Over the years I've often talked highly of Leupold scopes and have undoubtedly talked several people into buying them, so having a good product that people are happy with does indeed work! For the record, I've only purchased one Vortex product, a Viper 6.5x20-50mm and so far I'm very pleased with it. I'll be looking at them when it comes time for another purchase. |
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It is not difficult to justify purchasing a Leupold scope.
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I've had nothing but positive experiences with my 2 Vortex Viper HS 4-16x44. Still running one on my .223. The other got sold with a rifle.
I don't have a huge budget for anything, but did spring for a Leupold VX3 6.5-20x for the .243 I just bought. I haven't even shot this set-up (about to start my first hand loads) but I'll be 100% honest...I had some concerns about the additional recoil and a new Viper. I'm about 90% sure it would have eaten it up with no issues...but it did cross my mind. I've had 2 Vortex products fail, but they were both bottom-end scopes. (Crossfire and a Crossfire II) Vortex were quick to make this right. I've been running a 4-12AO Diamondback on one of my .22s with no issues. My most recent scope was for my CZ452, and I decided to try an entry-level Sightron S1. Had that scope AND the Diamondback out together last weekend and could do a side-by-side comparison. Both function 100% fine, but the Sightron's optics appear to be better, and the reticle much finer. I'm clearly not set on any 1 brand, but certainly don't feel drawn to Vortex at the moment either. At one point, I think I had 5 of their products in the house...down to 3 now. (Viper/Diamonback/SPARC) I'm curious what's coming-up with that company, but the last couple of times I looked...the price was creeping up, and the reticle I liked most was gone. (BDC made heavier) Seems the company jacks the prices to cover the warranty claims...instead of jacking the price to make better scopes and not NEED as many warranty claims. I don't feel I have enough time to hunt/shoot as it is...so the idea of losing a scope for warranty service really s**ks as far as I'm concerned. I don't use heavy-recoiling calibers...and I don't hunt large game. Losing a shot opportunity, missing, wounding in those situations~I think I'd be pretty steamed. So..short story long~I've had more good experiences than bad, and have a modestly-priced Viper hitting it out of the park every year for the last 5 or so. |
I don't see the buy and sell loaded with vortex products....that must mean happy users.
I am one for sure...my next one on the list...vortex |
Well if you watch Buy Sell here and the on on Canadian Gunnutz for any length of time you will see a very high number of Vortex for sale, and most are at quite a discount to their new price. There are 4 Vortex products on the front page of today's Optics Buy Sell on this forum alone. If your really want to try one I would pick one up off of there. At least you won't be out near as much when you re-sell it.
Find it interesting that the OP for this thread hasn't had much to say since shortly after it was started. |
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. There are 4 Vortex products on the front page of today's Optics Buy Sell on this forum alone.
Must be a lot of used car salesmen types on this forum if they sell what they consider a piece of crap to a unsuspecting buyer. Are these guys any better than the Vortex company? |
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Selling them for as cheap as they are, and as long as a guy doesn't use them on a gun he needs to rely on, I don't see a problem. Better to buy one for half price and get it fixed than to pay full price. If a scope goes out on one of my gopher guns, no big deal, I have a couple of extras with me anyway. A scope going out on top of the mountain on a Sheep hunt in Wilmore is a whole other ball of wax. Bought cheap enough and used on the right gun Vortex is a usable product. Not one I would ever buy more of, but that is jut me. |
When I sold my Vortex I was honest with the person buying it. The price reflected it. I gave him a copy of the repair order also.
For me it was two different scope failures of the same model that made my choice. Here's my challange to Vortex. Send me a voucher from one of your retailers in Red Deer for a HSLR 4X16X50 FFP with MRAD reticle 3 months before next hunting season let me choose the scope from their selection, i will have it mounted at that shop. I will sight the scope in and use it for the following season approX 6 mon the of time. I will put 300 rds through my rifle with that scope on it. If by the end of the season it has not failed with accuracy problems and or erector ring or other manufacture defects I will pay for the scope. ( If I accidently cause damage to the scope I will pay for it also, such as drop it bend it, falls off my quad etc). If the scope fails from a manufacture defect that requires Warrenty service you reimburse me ammo costs and hunting trip cost. Ammo cost about $450 trip cost $1500. I encourage you to use witness marks and other methods to ensure that no tampering of the scope has been done. That is my offer. Unrealistic from my end but that is how I feel Warrenty should be. Unless you can recommend another scope that can handle hunting situation. I am all ears and willing to research if the info is availible. My budget is $1000cdn. Thank you for your consideration. What radical changes is Vortex comming up with? |
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My bet is this will never happen. Go buy a Nightforce if you want the toughest scope made, also about the heaviest there is, has glass about on par with Leupold. Buy a Swaro or Leica if you want the best optics and good reliability and buy a Leupold if you want decent optics, good reliability and really fast quality turnaround if you do bend one over a rock. |
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Vortex quality control seems to be performed by their customers, and is (not surprisingly) uncompensated. Good Luck, YMMV. |
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There was a big thing a few years back about Leupold a few years back and there warranty issues because the scope was ought om a particular dealer that the were not covered by Korth.All sorts of accusations and assumptions ensued. Bottom line was , that if you bought t o a dealer who dealt with Korth, fine. If you bought it from a dealer who dealt directly with a U.S. agent, you took the scope back to them for warranty service. had no dog in that fight, but could clearly see that was the case long before it was brought to light. I'm not sue what the big deal here is except we tend t gang up on dales and brands a lot some of us stating things when we have had no direct experience with the brand or dealer. Cat |
Cat either your drinking heavily or not proof reading your posts.
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