Said it before and I'll say it again.....most folks against crossbows are trying to keep the competition during archery season to a minimum.
FWIW I hunt with a bow and a rifle and if there comes a time where an injury or disability causes me to not be able to hunt with a regular bow I would not hesitate to try to be able to use a crossbow. The benefits to a compound bow in my opinion outweigh a crossbow, at least while I am still able to use a compound. LC |
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I really don't think that there would be an influx of thousand of hunters into the archery season. I really don't know what the objection is. As I said, if I don't interfere with you WTF. |
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If you are disabled, have at it! If you are not disabled, hunt with a {by regulation definitions} bow. In archery {aka BOW} season. JMO, Norm |
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I'm pretty sure the first year of being aloud to use a crossbow as archery gear, there would be a huge increase in crossbows. The way I see it is that's the year that archery should have their percentage based on. If half the hunters have gone out with bow or crossbow 50% of the tags should be for archery instead of the 15% now.
My dad couldnt pull a bow back anymore so he got a crossbow. It didn't take to long packing it through the bush and he quit archery completely. I'm sure the stores would be selling lots the first season and the second season will have plenty of used crossbows for sale. |
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We do not make the rules, we just have to follow them. Personally in the style that I hunt with archery equipment I think a x-bow would be limiting to how I prefer to hunt on the ground. LC |
A string sends a pointy stick via a mechanical release to its target.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^compound bow or crossbow?? |
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Mechanical/caliper release has nothing to do with the definition of the equipment used. You can use a mechanical release on a recurve if you really wanted to. LC |
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For the record,i don't shoot either,but my son's a Bowhunter,we discuss this topic quite often. |
All I am saying is what the hell is the difference? If you shoot a bow that is 70 lb pull and your gf shoots one that is 45 lbs. I shoot a crossbow at 70 lbs.
Are we shooting at the same animal? Probably not, we are probalbly not even in the same country. What difference does it make what I am shooting? Big senario. We spot a herd of elk at about 1500 yards. We plan our stock, move to within about 300 yards. We are good to go, line him up and BOOM! he is down. The guy above us saw him to. leveled him with a 50 cal sniper rifle. Fair? regs. say yes, to me BS. I have met guys packing as crossbow while bowhunting, I never thought onec to ask them why. |
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It is quite easy....they both "store energy" in the limbs, but one is held muscularity the other mechanically. One is finite the other can be infinite. My arm, hand and fingers hold back the string with a compound or traditional bow. The length of time depends on my conditioning. Muscular power is at work.... In a crossbow a mechanism holds the string back, indefinitely until it is released...non-muscular power holds it. Do you understand the difference now? The definitions in the regulations are what we are bound to as far as the rules and regulations are concerned. LC |
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No need to explain to you the difference between muscular and mechanical means is there? LC |
Rules and regulations change every year.
So although we must follow the regulations I see nothing wrong with requesting changes to those regulations. As for definitions, the regulations do not define what is Archery equipment and what is not. Clearly a Crossbow is archery equipment. Quote:
So Crossbows can become approved for use during archery season if there is enough demand for such a change. Numbers talk. If enough people want it, it will happen. |
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Persons hunting big game must use an authorized bow and an authorized arrow. An authorized bow is one that is held, drawn and released by muscular power and has a draw weight of not less than 18 kg (40 lb.) ....key phrase: HELD, DRAWN AND RELEASED BY MUSCULAR POWER. A crossbow does not meet the requirement above....therefore not considered "archery equipment".....keep in mind regulations are not written in a fashion that they need to be "read into" to be understood. LC |
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Your scenario of elk hunting doesn't make sense... if you enjoy getting close and personal when you take a animal like you would with a bow, why can you not do the same thing with a rifle? you are saying that its a different experience and I would agree on the fact it is a different connection with the land, However IMO if you treat your rifle like a compound you would get the same rush. Fact is most people are lazy and so when they see the animal at 200 yards they take the shot, instead of trying to get in close. |
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I also stated that if there comes a time where I cannot hunt using archery equipment and I qualify via permit to use a crossbow then I will. LC |
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1. I've reported 3 people poaching with them..( firing from inside the truck) 2. People think they can shoot 100 yards ( don't try to convince them other wise) 3. Huge advantage in the prone/ready position, compared to bows. 4. Can hold in the loaded position all day 5. Newbie's, don't take the same time and pride in sighting them in ( Great entertainment at the archery shops) To the average person, a bolt from a Xgun , looks much like an arrow. Any game wounded by xguns, that makes the news ( around populated cities) The headlines will never read Xgun bolt in Bunny........... It's not the influx of people that scares bowhunters BuckCuller.......If that was true, bowhunters wouldn't be promoting people to pick up a bow and get out . They wouldn't be as forth coming with help , tips and even mentoring as a vast majority are... It's the animals IMO that have the most to lose..... and in zones like the Bowzones and the open prairie zones especially..JMO But for now they are illegal in the achery season, and that makes me happy! Except all the guys with the fake doctors notes, from their doctor friend...like my FIL's Buddy's |
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So where in the regulations does it say that? Let's put it another way. A 223 is not permitted for hunting big game, but it is still a rifle, or is it not a rifle as defined by the regulations? The argument that a crossbow is not archery equipment is a smokescreen. It makes no difference how one defines a particular weapon. Any weapon can be approved for any season. If our government sees fit. A Crossbow is not a Rifle, but it is permitted during the rifle season. |
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I quoted the regs Keg.....re-read my post slower :) ....the capitalized part that talks about muscular power.... I'll save you some time, Persons hunting big game must use an authorized bow and an authorized arrow. An authorized bow is one that is held, drawn and released by muscular power and has a draw weight of not less than 18 kg (40 lb.) LC |
I always love how those that can not follow the rules come up with the statement we are causing a division in our ranks.
The divisions are caused by people trying to circumvent every thing they can and want a life full of easy buttons. If you are realy handicapped there are no problems with the cross bow. So what is next in the easy button lifestyle, the arrow gun shooting 22 blanks to propel an arrow because you can't cock a crossbow or it is to awkward. We see 12 year olds that can draw a legal bow. We see adults with fake notes from doctors too. |
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And yes you quoted the regs, then added your own twist to what they say. Quote:
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My point being that what is authorized by the regulations is not written in stone. It can be changed. Like I said. Arguing definitions is a smokescreen. Any weapon can be added or removed from what is authorized. That being said, a crossbow is, as I pointed out, by definition, archery equipment. It's a bow mounted on a stock. It is you who confuse the issue by arguing that the regs define a crossbow as not archery equipment. As I see it the only issue is, do enough people want to hunt with a crossbow during archery season. The majority rules does it not? |
I was discussing what was legal to hunt with and why Keg, you apparently were not.
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I have to hold the whole thing up with muscle power, using both arms, and shoulders, and even back muscles. I even have to use eye muscles to sight it! And I have to squeeze the release (trigger) using muscle power; ya oughtta see the muscles in my index trigger finger. Then there is the follow through - still using muscle power. :sHa_sarcasticlol: :sHa_sarcasticlol: :sHa_sarcasticlol: :fighting0030: Gets kinda silly when ya want to argue the details, doesn't it!?! :bad_boys_20: |
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