Here's a quick image search for the Axis. Note that every single image has a Bushnell sharp shooter on it.

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=savage...1t:429,r:0,s:0

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=savage...1t:429,r:2,s:0

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=savage...1t:429,r:3,s:0

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=savage...1t:429,r:9,s:0

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=savage...t:429,r:22,s:0

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=savage...t:429,r:27,s:0

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=savage...t:429,r:4,s:28

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=savage...:429,r:16,s:28

I've heard of quite a few axis' coming with the Simmons scope. You seem well informed but if you were wrong on the Simmons thing I'd say that you should concider the possibility that the scope on his gun might not be a Sharpshooter. I've seen a few different scopes on the 111 package over the years that were never advertised as being included on the Savage web site so I'd say its deffinatly possible he has somthing else.

x2 when I bought my 111package it was advertized bushnell at the time and mine came with a simmons blazer.

I based my info on an interview with the designer of the a is who said they won't have a Simmons scope on the (the prototypes did) because bushnell bought Simmons. It seems some old stock of Simmons did make it on though.


Like I said, if he can describe or post a picture of the scope I'd like to identify it.

Does it matter if a low end Bushnell or an equivalent low end Simmons made it on the gun?

The Axis\Edge for the money will put alot of food on the tables for a lot of families......

Seems to be more a case of someone making statements and wanting to be proven right....or wanting to be proven wrong.....

LC

No. The correction was made to someone who said they came with banners. The banner is a $90 scope and not comparable to the $20 class of scope that actually comes with it.

My apologies, I stand corrected. didn't look like the picture you first linked to... The guy told me it was a banner as well. My bad!

I have had a lot better groupings with my axis than I ever did with my 111 in 270. And really it doesn't matter what scope comes on them cause everyone changes them out anyway.

Andy

I hear you there
all the ones I sell i remove the scope ,rings and bases ,locktight retorq and bore sight.

havent had any complaints about the rifles yet

Well, on the Savage Shooters forum there is a consensus that the 111 is slightly more accurate. Regardless, accuracy is not the Axis' problem. It's appearance, removed features, and quality.

You trusted that cheap ass 20.00 dollar scope on a 4 day backpack sheephunt??????????????????????? :snapoutofit:

you betcha. my shot groupings at the range were the same as from my tikka t3 in 300wsm with a burris scope on it. i don't shoot past 200/250 yards...if i did, i would use a different set up and practice a lot more at longer distances. the axis is out of the box accurate. not much point in blowing my hard earned cash on a scope that will get me the same results as the one the axis came with (i.e. a kill shot). but if it makes you feel any better, it will probably be put it on my 10/22 ruger and i'll pick up a different scope when a good sale comes on

Duh. It's a simple pointing device.

The difference is in the quality. That cheaply made POS can and will break under recoil. It's just a matter of time. The problem is that you may not know when this has happened...until you pull the trigger on an animal and it doesn't hit.

There are also obvious optical and low-light differences but hey, if you have visual impairments I guess it wouldn't matter to you :p

I don't think anybody can tell 1 person or another that anything they own is a pos! Doing so says a lot about ones character! i have 1 of these bushnell sharpshooters on my .303 quad gun and it's been bumped,dropped and i can hit a loonie at a hundred yrds 8 out of 10 times ! probably fired 800 rounds since it's been on! the whole set up replacement cost is 'who the hell carers"!I have shot savages all my life and these guns are shooter's period! If amany is happy with what he has let him be happy!when someone makes you god you can judge away! just my rant take it or leave it! have agood day!:fighting0030::)

No. Some things really are just poorly manufactured garbage.

Just wondering if you wrote to savage and told them this ? And where did you come up with $20! If they were not doing there job every review would be all over it! Sit beside me at the range with 1 out of the box and show me what yours can do that this won't! let's say we split on the rifle and auction it off on this site and donate the procceeds to a charity!:) I bet there would be lot's of bids after they see how they shoot!

I probably wouldnt take the scope on a wilderness hunt myself but I wouldnt criticize someone else for doing it. In my past experiences with Bushnell they have been pretty tough, even the cheaper ones. People can slam them for their glass, their customer service and whatever else but I've put a few Bushnells through absolute hell and have never had one go out of zero. Never had one this cheap though.

Good Listening
 

Edit: look at me replying to the wrong post!

Sigh.

Savage is well aware that the $20 oem scope is not quality. They really don't need anyone to tell them that.

To the person who issued me a challenge, sure. As I said though the issue isn't with accuracy, it's with optical quality and build quality.

Reviews of the sharpshooter seem to show it WILL break and lose it's point of impact anywhere between 2-100 rounds. If your challenge includes dropping the rifle a few times and taking say 100 rounds with about 19lbs of recoil then sure, you're on.

There's a reason most people change these scopes immediately. They're worth the price premium they command (virtually nothing).

Anyone who doesn't have the experience to know that their $20 oem scope is not quality is hardly worth discussing optics with.

I would take that for a challenge if we both do exactly the same to each rifle! The sharpshooter i have on my .303 is dead on after over 800 rounds andI agree optical wise better money should be spent1 I have seen this package and the simmons first hand and while not optimal I believe this package is more than capable for someone who pumps 200 rounds out a year! As for what you said about taking recoil i returned 3 leupold in 2 years becuase the lost there zero after 20 rounds on my .300 short mag! I finnally now only use bushnell 3200! I just hate when people thro something they deem pos because either they read something about it, or they think big money means better! And where does it state this scope is worth $20 because they are not even for sale!

Well my Axis package worked great today to drop a deer. He didn't care what the scope was worth. lol

Andy

lets see lets seee!!! I was thinking of buying a Savage Axis tomorrow for a throw behind the seat varmint gun for when im hunting big game

The value is indicated by the price of the combo package...:scared:

Note: I've had two of these scopes. One on my 111 and one on my Axis. They're both broken.

Here they are mike.

http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/a...ing2011001.jpg

http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/a...ing2011002.jpg

Andy

bought a savage 111 pkg with a bushnell e-cheapo on it, worked some loads up for it and it shot waaaay better than i ever thought was possible with a $350 gun. The gun/scope/bases/rings worked great until i missed my suffield elk @ 75 yrds because the e-cheapo rings loosened off, but its ok i only had to wait 8 years to get drawn.........


.......i put a leupold VX3 2.5-10x50 with leupold bases and rings on it.

Just got home from Cabelas.... and can oddly say.. im the new owner of a Savage Axis in .223 , I bought this with intention of being a throw behind the seat kinda gun.. pack it on the big game hunts etc etc.. something that can take a beating and not make me cry

But i bought the Cabelas Exclusive model of Axis.. stainless/winter Camo.. i will say the combination between Stainless and white paint with stick and limbs on it ... is very sharp

The Bushnell Sharpshooter will be removed when i pick up some new glass for this Ugly Lady

It was a toss up between the T/C Venture in Winter Camo, and the Axis.........as I was on my way down there.........but... when I handled both... the Savage Axis fit so well it was disgusting ! The TC Venture didnt fit me or shoulder very well... and the bolt was sluggish. The Axis bolt is hideous to look at.. but cycled super smooth.

Ill post some pics in a bit if i get a chance... very excited to see if it shoots like people say

Congrats on the new purchase! I saw that snow camo edition but i didn't like the stainless scope...but it does look sharp. I agree that its a very comfortable gun when shouldering and the hand grip has a nice pistol style feel to it. Let us know how the sighting in goes and how much you had to adjust the scope.

If I could make a suggestion on factory ammo to purchase.....pick up either the yellow box (might be green/white now) UMC (Remington) 45 gr JHP OR the Winchester "White box" 45gr JHP ammo and you will likely not have to worry about buying any other kind. This works great in my Savge Weather Warrior in .223, is fairly fur friendly and cheap to shoot.

LC

Yeah..... The Bushnell scope is gross.....ill be breaking the barrel in as is..... But at the end of the month I'll put Burris Zee signature rings on it... And either a Redfield Revolution 4-12x40mm or a Nikon Coyote model.............. haven't decided if I will send either or away for winter camo dipping yet ........might just keep them black matte

Picked up a couple boxes of Winchester whitebox jhp...... That was the whole reason behind this purchase..... super fun cheap to shoot throw behind the seat varmint gun. who can complain at $19 for 40 rounds of .223?