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Gave this poll two weeks. Pretty even so far. Thanks to all the voters.✌️
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Judge away, you’ll be chasing your tail with every assumption.
Is that your aim here, character assassination? So in order to have credibility I need to post pics and definitely can’t have a sense of humour right? If you’ve been here awhile I used to post all my pics. Gave that up long ago...wonder why? You don’t know jack about me, and you’ll get it wrong more than you’ll get it right, keep trying if it makes you happy. Have a dozen muleys with bow, all p&y, two over 200 etc. That phase is over though. Just scored the last 3, will enter them when I get around to it, more to close the chapter now than any other reason. I’m onto totally different things now as my kids get to start doing all the killing as they are coming of age soon. Phases. My trophy phase is over, actually was never a trophy guy to begin with, just had good access so could be fussy. Otherwise I rarely hold out for the big ones, legal will do, I like to hunt and eat. The muley run was just a product of circumstance. Does this qualify me in any way to discuss ballistics? Who cares what I’ve arrowed. Gendel grendel bo bendel is for salavee😊 |
I'm in the middle grounds on this one.
Yes and no because there are options out there that are better suited for big game hunt,,, or that I grew up around. How ever, the advancements of bullet construction has not only improved the 22 caliber, it has allowed many other calibers to step it up a notch. Like Some have said, lots of USA states and parts of Canada allow 223's into the big game category, and there are those saying that there are limits on how far some of the shot placements should take place. In order to get maximum penetration and bullet expansion. This is just me, my simple opinion, that means absolutely nothing. Why not a caliber in 6mm, the hunter can purchase factory reduced loads, or make their own at the reloading bench. Do all kinds of modifications to the rifle as well if they choose. Again, not that the 223 can't harvest game with in its limits, or that other caliber options are out there that have pretty good track records. We've seen it stated on many threads, there are lots of walls and freezers around the world that have reaped the rewards of "all kinds of calibers" This is proven to be true, more so than game not harvested,,, at least we hope so. I'll let the gang hash it out as I'll stay with the medium bore calibers based on the proven merits I've seen first hand along with some fantastic harvests by friends and family over the years. I still think the world is more like a pancake that is kinda shaped like a football with more rounded edges, don't know since I haven't seen it first had. The world is now full of fake news, no one will ever be able to believe anything from here on in. LOL Thanks for sharing the thread, kind of a different way at looking at things. |
Nearly 100 votes, thanks voters! Legitimate poll, ignore the discussions here. I wasn’t looking for a ‘winner’, was looking to see how we feel about those diam. bullets now being allowed considering all the modern choices we now have. Had no idea what the poll would look like, just thought info would be good no matter.
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I don't think most CF .22's lack 'power' my concern is that a lot of ammo is loaded with frangible bullets and a small, soft bullet on a big bodied, pre rut condition 100kg+ buck is less than ideal.
I have used a .223 on Impala with cup and core 55gr factory ammo and seen a few more killed with .222 50gr ammo. Those are 50kg animals, thin coats, very little fat. The bullets worked OK but not ideal IMO. With a 'big game bullet' they should be fine. I guess large deer are killed with them in other Canadian jurisdictions... |
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The .223 has been killing Combatants successfully since the 60’s. people and deer would both fall in cpx 2 category. Now before you guys go off the rails about how .223 was designed to fill stretchers and take numbers off the battlefield we’re not shooting full metal jacket bullets on game and even full metal jackets still kill. The 22 call center fire are very deadly they have been used all over North America and in Africa to take all sorts of game that by some people’s opinions have no business taking. My prediction for this poll is the no vote will win. some people just refuse to accept the lethalitaly of lighter calibers and are stuck on there pet caliber that there dad or grandpa told them was the best. And for the average or newer hunter that’s used to leaning over the hood of there truck shooting deer off the trunk road this wouldn’t be a great pick for them. But for a skilled hunter who enjoys shooting his 223 22-250 or swifty there should be no issues with taking game. |
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When your going down highway 2 there isn’t a sign that says hey you can go however fast you want since your a semi professional race car driver. The speed limits are there because there’s too many idiots out Would be pushing the limits of their experience, skill and equipment. Just like with this spewing stats about about these Grendel’s, and 223 for big game. Just my opinion |
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He says that 3000” is obtainable Only way that happens is by including all the members of the deer family like moose and elk etc It Brings the numbers back down to reality Only think semi impressive is being with a bow. Otherwise it’s nothing special |
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I voted yes based on my experience USING .223 calibre on deer. It worked without issue.
I'd like to see someone with actual experience explain from the no side. |
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On the surface Chinese surplus is illegal because its hardball. And an open sighted 30-30 with bluebox ammo st 350yds would be better. |
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I for one am in favor of allowing the .223's for big game in Alberta. The .223 is cheap on the wallet which would allow more rounds to be spent on target shooting. The more accurate the shooter is the more ethically they can harvest the animal. Lets face it, lack of target practice is probably the bggest reason for missed or wounded animals. My .308 hunting ammo currently runs around $3 per shot. The same in .223 is around $1.13 per shot. With the current bullet selections you can find .223's that are more than capable of harvesting game effectively when used within their range. Another thing to consider is the recoil in smaller shooters, the .223 has one of the smallest recoils out there so this is perfect for younger hunters to learn on. Once a flinch develops, its very hard to get rid of. |
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On another note. Why dont you hunt with an sks then? Or maybe you do. I dont know. Compared with 223, the 7.62x39 has a slight advantage in killing power for the first 200 to 300 yards. Both cheap ammo. Both have similar recoil, lighter than the hard hitting 243. |
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Ya I know hardball is not legal But would a newbie? I’ve seen guys think they can shoot a 30-30 350 yards away Just because they read the box and seen how many inches it dropped ty thought it was do able. Ya that’s another palm situation There’s too many as it is. Why would you want more? |
I voted yes, I know a native fellow who hunts moose and elk with a .223. Know the capabilities of the round and shot placement and it is no different then any other round.
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What I fail to understand is the reason some are leaning to smaller and smaller cartridges at greater ranges all the time. It can't all be due to bullet design. Although that can make some difference at the terminal end it won't transform a small varmint type cartridge in to a viable Big Game cartridge. Adding additional powder capacity .. like a .22-06 or some other over-bore creation that has been mentioned previously, defeats the purpose of practicality. There are a good number of very practical, proven cartridges available that will fulfill the low recoil,lightweight,accurate and efficient requirement with ease. They are also more accommodating to those that like to use the back side of a rifles performance curve at extended ranges. No matter what we try to do with a .22 cal, it will be tough to out- perform an older,established and proven cartridge with slightly bigger shoulders. If we aren't satisfied with a .23 cal as a minimum , move up a bit, not down. The Game you shoot will appreciate it. The .257 Roberts comes to mind. |
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I've hunted with native people on several occasions and have seen first hand that the majority prefer calibers larger than .223... mostly .30 cal. They know better. |
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The point is with a .22 caliber centerfire deer are dead as much as anything else. Poor choices are poor choices. If people aren't educating themselves what is a banning going to do? A .243 with 55gr vmax's are just as bad. |
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It's pretty simple, it's because they want to. You don't have to understand it, and after discussing with you extensively over the past few weeks, its most likely you won't ever understand. I don't understand why people feel the need for large bore magnums just to kill deer and elk when I have no problem killing them with pip squeak cartridges, but I don't have to understand, I just have to accept it. |
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That’s averaging 429 inches per animal man lol I haven’t seen too many that are half that size haha Archie Nesbit, now that guy is a slayer. Never needed the public lime light ( so it seemed) Just went out and crushed big critters all around the world How many world records does that guy have? Very impressive |
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That has always been at .23 cal |
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1000 club allows up to 7 deer. Each 1000” net allows up to 7. Thing is with bowhunters, they will rack up the numbers well past 7. There’s a guy I read about recently that had over 20 whitetails that p&y or was it boone? When you’re dedicated and live where that’s all you have then those guys just rack up big whitetails. I made the club for any deer hunter in North America can achieve it not easily. You’ll likely not get in if you only target blacktails or coues so you’ll need some whitetails or muleys to help get 1k net”. |
And he’s from Alberta also
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