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Most if not all prescribed burns are directed at old growth timber are they not. This does open a little new area but as has been seen on many past burns it does not burn much of the higher sheep country in which sheep frequent the most. Burning in our mountain areas isnt new by any means.
But if they are going to do it to help sheep habitat they need to do above timber line burns. Burning the timber gets ome new growth that pulls some sheep down into areas that they dont have the normal protection of the rock and cliffs that they use so at times it increases the chance of predator attacks. Just my opinion. SG |
The problem with this sheep is i seen the pic with out the whited out area know who it was and was told this person got to keep it with only a warning and no the other side aint any longer
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Dewey is one of the guys I learned how to hunt sheep from. I spent more than one afternoon with him. I grew up listening to him from before I was old enough to hunt. He knew just like any one how the boundries work. Its obvious that 209 hasnt hunted many areas with a boundry other than during the rut. And name dropping of a legendary sheep outfitter isnt gunna make him look any smarter. The only people that dont think sheep know the boundries are the ones that havent been around much. |
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I haven't been around much, but I think sheep know where the safe havens are!! But, I still have a lot to learn. I am not one that knows everything.:D |
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Animals learn where they are safe, they know what side of the mountain is park and what side isnt. Sure they dont know exactly within a few feet where the line is but they do know where it is. |
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Maybe an idea for a grant proposal to the ACA? A test area? Someone like SG to identify a problem area, assemble an application team and set up a long term monitoring for efficacy. |
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I don't know, Vin. This is just what I have observed. Like I said I have a lot to learn. Maybe someone with more experience can explain why the sheep lay 25' inside the fences, and then come out when the season is over. I don't know if some sheep are smarter then others, but I think they "learn" more as they get older. |
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And a distraction from the issue at hand? Isnt the topic of this thread SHEEP? Seems to me we are right on the issue... all things concerning and about sheep. |
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These areas could burn if targeted but they have yet to be targeted. I think you should maybe try and spend some time out there before you try and come up with all the answers. For one people would look at you in a better light. |
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Actually controlled burns are more about aspen and shrubby encroachment into the open slopes. It's not so much about opening new areas but stopping encroachment into traditional winter range. Fire suppresion has allowed traditional winter range to become overgrown. There's no reason to burn the open slopes...it about reclaimng those open slopes from the encroachment of aspen and shrubs. You are correct that there's nothing new about it...they just aren't doing much of it any more. |
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Probably not the best idea as the chemicals you speak of are not recommended for slopes or non-porous soils. Run off would pool these chemicals and cause other problems such as poisoning of local wildlife and or contamination of headwaters. I saw some of these chemical being used near Summit lake in BC (just outside the Alberta border). Run off from the vegetation down the slopes into the creek killed off 85% of the Cutthroat Trout that were spawning last spring. The company responsible still has not been dealt with so it will probably happen again this year. In response to other thoughts on Management: More sheep would be nice to have as long as it does not hurt the sheep themselves and/or come at a cost to other wildlife populations. Populations of wildlife should be managed for healthy numbers and habitat not for the appeasement of hunters that don't understand the importance of balance. |
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It is unfortunate that some people don't want to look into things any deeper than a superficial, anecdotal glance. Issues surrounding sheep are diverse and multilayered. What I observe on the surface may or may not be as simple as it seems. That is why it is of benefit to look into the body of research from the myriad of other people who have had those same questions and by the process of rigorous scientific investigation have tried to define the answers. It would be extremely naive of me to think that I was the first to observe certain events or postulate on their causes and effects. It would be foolish of me to haughtily dismiss the body of scientific knowledge that has been amassed on the reference subject. It would be prudent of me to measure the knowledge gleaned from the scientific community against my own observations for similarities and contradictions. SG, put aside the victim act and maybe, just maybe, there would be room for some fruitful discussion. |
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Yep, there are likely a host of other reasons. As with everything here this is not a simple black and white issue that is trying to be made out by some for the sole purpose of trying to elevate their status by demeaning others. Hence the distraction term.
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You have your ideas I have mine you can follow all your syudies and beleive what you wish. Sheep in different areas travel different, feed different, in general may act a little different. If you dont do a study on the mass majority of areas your gunna have a biased study based on a small portion of the big picture. It shows a generalized assumption but every area is its own population. To say every herd has the same issues to the same extent is wrong. Some herds live in areas with lots of bush. Some with no bush. Do you think predator deaths is the same in both? I really doubt it. Some areas have high hunter pressure some have none(the study areas you keep bringing up have none). Some have influence from sanctuaries and parks, some are strictly resident herds. Your studies do show some fact but does not cover all different situations Alberta bighorns face. |
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Well a bit of a summary on the sheep specific draw issues.
1) SRD is not currently considering the 5 year wait after a successful sheep hunt. 2) SRD is considering a priority 6 cap on draw applications beginning in 2011. 3) SRD is considering bringing all sheep draws under one draw code. |
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