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Perhaps it speaks volumes of a coaching staff's ability to bring out the best in a player, or maybe the positive environment that player is in, or being put into situations where that player can succeed? All those things were lacking up in Soilerville while he was there. It was humorous to see all the chatter on how Edmonton stole James "the laziest NHL'er" Neal in the deal. How did he work out up there? Again Looch has more goals so far this than all but 3 Solier forwards. Any of those lagging behind make $6 million or more? :thinking-006: Anyways, love to see you guys post on this thread. Here we don't whine about other teams fans putting in there two cents worth (sometimes it's almost worth that too, based on the crap they post). By the way, how does it feel to post on the teams thread that's leading the Pacific Division? :sHa_shakeshout::sHa_shakeshout::sHa_shakeshout: |
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Under solid coaching… Lucic is feared on the ice. James Neal Buyout Details This player does not currently have an active contract; however, the buyout details of their previously bought-out contract would be as follows Cost Calculations BUYOUT DATE BASE SALARY REMAINING S.BONUS REMAINING YEARS REMAINING BUYOUT LENGTH AGE BUYOUT RATIO TOTAL COST TOTAL SAVINGS ANNUAL COST Jun. 15, 2022 $5,750,000 $0 1 2 34 2/3 $3,833,333 $1,916,667 $1,916,667 Cap Hit Calculations SEASON INITIAL BASE SALARY INITIAL CAP HIT SIGNING BONUS BUYOUT COST POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS SAVINGS CAP HIT (St. Louis BluesSTL) 2022-23 $5,750,000 $5,750,000 $0 $1,916,667 $1,916,667 $3,833,333 $1,916,667 2023-24 $0 $0 $0 $1,916,667 $1,916,667 -$1,916,667 $1,916,667 TOTAL $5,750,000 $5,750,000 $0 $3,833,333 $3,833,333 $1,916,667 $3,833,334 Lucic. 7 goals and 2 assists so far this season. |
Looch just couldn’t make a difference surrounded by Edmonton’s unbridled skill and speed. It was a bit much.
He’s shining now though….. a top player. Kinda like if you were to drop a less than mediocre midget down to bantam league. He’s gonna shine!!!!!:sHa_sarcasticlol: I kid I kid….. Even if looch wasn’t contributing on the score sheets, his presence alone out there contributes to players coughing up pucks, and thinking twice. Pretty hard to move from the front of the net too…. |
Regardless of where Neal is right now, and by the way he is not sitting at home or playing golf, he is doing quite well St. Louis, the Flames are still paying 5.25 million for this year and next year for a 4th liner.
Neal is costing the Oilers 2.65 not have him on the roster right now. The Oilers are ok with that and almost every team has some dead cap space, Flames has Brower, Oilers have Neal. The Flames GM can't consider how much Neal costs the Oiler's, that has nothing to do with him building a team. The real problem Pizza Boy is going to have is that Lucic's salary will still be on the books while trying to re-sign Thachuk, Johnny, and Mangi. And in addition to that, either re-signing or replacing Pitlick, Richardson, and Lewis. The Neal/Lucic trade was all about 1 bad contract for another bad contract. Because of Calgary's cap issue and the need to re-sign so many player, I am not sure that Lucic was the better option overall for the Flames. Let's put it this way, if Mangi or Johnny need to walk or be traded because of the Lucic's contract, or Monahan is traded for draft picks to dump salary, do you still think the Flames won the trade? |
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He’s definitely a few steps behind. He’s watched a lot of pucks go past him into the Calgary net as well. I think Sutter has done an exceptional job of finding a style of hockey in 2021 where Lucic can be useful in his older years. |
The deal worked for both teams. In actuality Calgary saved a ton of dough because Lucic was front end loaded and large signing bonuses early in contract, hence buy out proof. Secondly deal worked for Oilers to save some serious cap hit, just cost them $$$. Neal never panned out, Lucic in a smaller role is paying off dividends, although expensive 4th liner but he is contributing and leads by example. He is a fan favourite craze enough, next year last year is only $3.25m, its the cap hit that sucks lol.
Exchange cost Edmonton owner Daryl Katz $51 million ($28 mil to Lucic, $23 mil to Neal) to pay out an original commitment of $42 million. By the time such niceties as escrow are figured we can probably round it down to $50 million or a bit less; nonetheless a substantial cash hit to the Oilers owner, and a financial windfall for the Flames, who would only need to pay Lucic $14 million in actual salary for 4 years vs. the $23 million they owed Neal. Quote:
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There is no arguing actual dollar numbers, they are what they are. But actual costs to 90 % of the owners in the league is irrelevant. (some small markets care) If you asked almost all owner if they could go over the cap would they do it, almost everyone of them would to win a cup. So it is cap dollars that rule and that is it. I bet you Katz would even pay hefty penalties on top of the dead cap money if it actually didn't count against the overall cap space. |
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-Matthew is getting $9M; -Johnny is by far the best forward UFA available and is on pace for 94 pts, I can easily see a team offering him $9-$10M; -Monahan: $6,375,000 -Backlund: $5,350,000 -Lucic: $5,250,000 -Coleman: $4,900,000 -Lindholm: $4,850,000 -Mangiapane: What's he going to get, on pace for 68 goals and 58 pts, $6M, $7M? -Dube: $2,300,000 Puts us at $53M, about $4M over what we're currently at, with 4 players to sign. Kylington is also going to get a massive raise, maybe $4 to $5M. Quote:
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You think Johnny is sticking around if Brad offers him a fair salary? |
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When he was here he was a horrible a skater. Either not trying or lost his step. Still he is a millionaire. I am not. But Lucic is the better player this season. Which is good for the Flames. Neal isn’t playing in Edmonton which is good for the Oilers. |
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You also need to remember when comparing the trade, the Flames also got a 3rd round pick, which they turned into Vladar. It is a little early to tell yet, but he is looking like an incredible pick up so far for the Flames. Vladar stats started 5 games 4-0-1 with 2 shutouts 1.57 goals against .946 save% Skinner stats started 5 games 2-3-0 0 shutouts 2.85 goals against .928 save% another way of looking at it is Enforcer vs Enforcer (Luc vs Kasian) Oilers pay Kassian 3.2 mil+ retained Salary for Luc + buyout salary for Neal total $5,866,667 Flames pay Luc 5.25 mil and you will have 2 more years on the books for Neal at 1.9Mil after Luc contract is over Both players have contributed 9 points to their respective teams. In reality until 1 of the teams hoists the cup, it doesn't really matter who won the trade. |
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Cap dollars rule everything, unless of course you are Tampa and Jesus visit the dressing room just before playoffs. And I wouldn't rule out that the Flames will be adding some dead cap space next with a Lucic buy out. |
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GO ALBERTA GO!!!! Think about it. Isn’t it far better to be arguing who is best… Flames or Oilers. Who wants to be the quiet guys on the forum wishing they could be arguing the same for Ottawa sad Montreal. :bad_boys_20: |
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There’s a huge thread for bickering…..:sHa_sarcasticlol: Love to banter with the flames fans all season. But when my oil don’t make or get punted from the playoffs early, flames are my next choice….. Now that I live in bc I guess I’ll eventually have to slip the nucks in there somewhere…. (Most likely below both flames and oil) |
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U won’t have to worry about slipping the nuckleheads in. There toast |
Well, that was a pretty evenly matched game, but Flames got it done in the shoot out. That's a win! Good game.
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Entertaining game.
Shootout goals were skilled. Vladar… good game. Shoot out goaltending skill. Grade A tonight! |
A little concerned about the quantity of high quality saves our goalies have made the last few games. However, they are still putting up points, tied for first in the league, so what do I know. Nice to have a bit more separation.
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I believe we are playing above our heads.. But it sure is fun to watch. MT is playing like himself of old. Johnny is looking incredible and LUCIC!!!!! Lucic is a king. Where did we get him from again?
The Goalies are playing in a different universe compared to years past. Zero idea of this is sustainable or if this is lightening in a bottle but loving my tickets this year! Speaking of wich. I am gone out of the country between Jan 4 and Feb 28. All those games are up for grabs at my season ticket holder cost. a few other games as well including 4 seats for Anaheim just before Christmas. |
Definitely firing on all cylinders. True test will be how well they weather the storm when a few misfires pop up.
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Even Jonny looks good….. yeah time to trade maybe will get something for him now.
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Well… gave up on the oilets. <not a spelling mistake.
Let’s go boys |
Pffff….. guess I’ll go be an Oiler fan again. Atleast we lose better.
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This is from Mark Spector in Edmonton after comments from Dave Tippet after last nights loss to the Kings. At least the "professionals" Know who the better team is! :sHa_shakeshout:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...mittal-effort/ And if they don’t, then perhaps flip the channel over to a Calgary Flames game and watch how Daryl Sutter’s team plays. If you think you’re going to win a series against Calgary with the “pretty boys” approach the Oilers have adopted of late, you are sadly mistaken. The Flames team we’re watching will eat this Oilers' effort for lunch, spit them out in five games, and move on to the next victim. |
Doesn't look as cool, and requires more work, but Anderson stops on his breakaway instead of the big loop to the corner and he scores. That dmen both taking the same guy annoyed me too.
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