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Bringing up the wildlife act is a waste as we know EVERYONE does it and F+W isnt gunna enforce it. So that has absolutly no bearing on the issue. I understand that you wanna use this to make your thoughts stronger but everyone has seen you and 209 do the exact thing your commenting as being totaly illegal. This is undeniable as we have all see the documented proof of you two helping and coaching your lady friends!! So if anyone is to be targeted im sure F+W would have an easy time with all the video footage you guys have!!!!! SG |
well again, we all agree that restricting sheep hunters whether through draw, or waiting period, or whatever, is the only way to improve trophy quality. again, not everyone thinks trophy quality is a problem. now restricting guys from hunting anything in the mountains is a big leap. you realize there are elk, moose, bears, cougars and wolves in the mountains too. i never said i was for keeping guys out of the mountains, just reducing the death toll of immature rams. i am for a draw on mule deer as i think it has done great things for the species, yet i chase whitetails right alongside the mules. i can still hunt when i am not drawn for mule deer so that post makes no sense.
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They have prooven bambi, it isnt about the mountains or the adventure, its about their right to pull the trigger on a bighorn ram every 2 years. Guys that really love to hunt in the mountains will hunt there regardless.
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A lot of this I agree with you on including find a problem then fix it. I've heard there is a problem hopefully that bears out (doesnt' that sound pathetic) otherwise all of this becomes very suspect and it will start with SRD that has turned into an embarrasment in a lot of ways in the past few years. The reality of the situation is that this was heard of last year as well, rumblings where being heard but little more than that. To say that AWSF started this ball rolling might not be fair they may very well have been the first to act (no first hand knowledge either way) but this was going on last year as well. My suspicions are that someone picked up the management plan and realized that the numbers weren’t where they hoped they would be, then put it aside. Then after the surveys that ACA has done to date that some more concerns where being raised based on those numbers. This coupled with the start of a rise in hunter numbers and a huge influx of people into the province (connected with an out of control economy and things like LUF) led to a reaction to act before it was too late (problem may or may not have been identified). As much as I hate to I agree with 209 that some of this does have an elitist edge to it but we’ve all seen the roaches crawl out of the wood work when an opportunity presents itself. I agree we haven’t had a problem identified yet but I sense we will be getting something soon as I’ve heard again that we will soon be getting a traveling road show from SRD to discuss issues. |
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Darcy, if you ever took the time to read my posts instead of so desperatly looking to flap your gums in disagreement, you'll see that I said there was no point bringing up the accompanying laws as my only points was that the Wildlife Act read that way. My point was that we were already over regulated with stupid regulations but apparently you missed that point. Now let's get back to talking about sheep and not your unhealthy facination with my life..that is unless you want to hurl a few more insults at a fine lady hunter. It seems to be a hobby of yours. |
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The comments on following the law do make sense. B.C. has a battle on their hands dealing with sheep outfitters, residents, packers, guides. The letter of the law evolves, usually meaning tighter controls and enforcement, with residents usually taking the hit. OK SG, Lets say you killed your sheep last year, didn't draw a LEH tag, you hold a wildlife cert. and a general wt,b bear tag, and go out hunting with a sheep tag holder, you are both in the scree way above treeline, you both have rifles, spotting scopes on the rams. Are YOU really hunting within your licenses? I'll agree that today, you are, but within one court case from charges pressured from an interest group, you are Not legal. Case Law developes from precident. One judgement and the law changes. A weakened foundation would remain for Resident Sheep Hunters if these type of resolutions continue. |
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Again, hard data needs to be brought forth to justify any change. The first step after this should be to restrict or eliminate non-resident hunters. Then and only then would I ever consider looking at restricting the sheep hunting opportunities that my Albertan daughter and son will inherit in our province. |
It seems rather pointless to be discussing solutions without a problem. Every item that has been put forward so far will have a different effect on sheep and on hunters. They are not equivalent. Some of them may have the desired effect that people on here hope they will, but some of them have the potential to have the opposite effect. If SRD is contemplating changes and are feeling pressured enough to actually implement a public consultation process (last one I participated in was close to 30 years ago and overwhelming public opinion was ignored) why are they being so secretive about it?
Why are those who claim to have "a source" holding back? Get your sources working for some real information that will be of benefit to all Albertans. |
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My point was that everyone does it whether you can admit it or not. You have helped many people get animals when you have not had a tag. I guess you must have had a late season cadomin sheep draw when you were with Rich when he killed one of his rams then hey. Oh ya you just took pictures. Right. Whats stopping every other person from doing the same as you? Nothing, so I guess everyone will still be in the mountains. End of story. |
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I understand but now almost half of the guys out there wont be able to go already because there are alot of guys that go right now to just acompany. Now TJ wants to bring up a law thats gunna keep them out with out even dealing with any sheep issues. Plus its gunna keep every parent from ever taking any of their kids hunting!!! |
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It's not the end of the story SG. You believe that the 5-year wait will reduce harvest and put more older rams on the mountain yet in the next breath you say that you'd still be out there helping people. So how has the 5-year wait accomplished anything. Whether you pull the trigger or your buddy or wife, the sheep is just as dead. If the 5-year wait is designed to prevent successful sheep hunters from killing multiple rams it's not a big stretch to see F&W dusting off the accompanying law and wanting to prevent those guys on the 5-year wait from helping people kill the rams. Dead is dead. Forget about what Rich and I have done in the past and think about how the 5-year wait resolution reads. It had nothing to do with sheep numbers and everything to do with keeping successful sheep hunters ouut of the mountains. F&W already has a mechanism in place to do that...you honestly think that they wouldn't use it down the road. Please tell me you aren't that trusting of the government. |
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I never belittled anyone since other than maybe you or Rich but that has gone back and forth between all of us not just one party!!!!!!!!!! |
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Wasn't implying rifle scopes before. For those that were sure to catch that. Like many others, I would be out there too under the same curcumstances. Of course I would have to get that Ram first. :lol: There are a lot of laws that get little or no use, until authorities decided to use them. Good to know. We have a whole lot of energy being spent here on unknowns, and rumours, some which have panned out, ie AFGA resolution. THanks to those who have made the effort to keep vigilant regarding potential changes to hunting, and making it public. Write those letters, ask for a written response. |
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Sorry if you may have took something I said the wrong way TJ but if you bring up a law that you use to try and strengthen your point with make sure its not one that you yourself break!!!!!
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Nice trump card TJ!! Well played! |
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Go away for a few days and it is next to impossible to catch up with this thread. (or others that are now under lockdown)
We have had endless amounts of discussion with solutions to the sheep hunting "problems" in the province. As far as I can tell the problems with sheep hunting begin with the following resolution - Trophy Sheep Licenses BE IT RESOLVED THAT the waiting period for a hunter who has harvested a trophy sheep to purchase another trophy sheep license be increased from one year to five years. BRIEF: This change would eliminate those hunters who shoot younger rams every second year. If they knew they could only shoot a ram every five years, they would be more selective. This would also allow a wider range of hunters to harvest a ram. Some factual things I have gathered from the threads revealing problems are: 1) issues with predators 2) issues with habit loss (variety of reasons) I've also read a few times the concern for lack of mature rams, but also read in the next breath that these elusive creatures do exist - albeit on non hunting mine lease sites, and in non hunting parks. Based on the known issues such as increased predator populations, and loss of (quality) habitat I fail to see why Alberta residents would be so eager to get in line for a reduction of hunting opportunities. That won't help the predator or habitat issues one bit. Why not put pressure on SRD and other wildlife groups to put more time, effort and money into things we all seem to agree on such as improving habitat (ie controlled burns) rather than going for the easy out by removing resident hunting opportunties. |
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You do know that women vote these days right? Although I have seen your treatment of women in other threads so I guess no surprise here. You truly are a piece of work Darcy. |
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I think that what is stopping F+W is the shear numbers of people that are out there doing this exact thing. They would have a total revolt if they tried to get into this to deep. |
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Maybe if im so degrating to all you women out there tell the Mods and they will get me off, till then TJ you may wanna try not to get to 209's level. Using the women issue to try and make me disapear and you be right isnt gunna work. SG |
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A little more focus on wildlife and habitat management, remain vigilant of special interest. Talk loudly, need the Gov. to hear your opinions. |
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You are right about sending letters. SRD does listen and AO members have become a very important source of input. Stand up and be counted! |
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