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So, if there is no data or studies to support this closure, even though most of us believe it would be beneficial to the lake, how exactly did all of this come about? Surely the SRD doesn't just make regulation changes on a whim, so there must be some underlying issues or motives pushing this closure.... It's all pretty 'fishy' to me... |
I'm tired of looking but there could be something in this link.
http://142.229.230.68/FishWildlife/F...Apr16-2011.pdf there's some interesting stuff, this is a good bit; Concerns expressed from some stakeholders about overpopulations of walleye in some lakes, view this as underutilization, sees impacts on the fish (“skinny walleye”), and potential conflicts with other users. View some advantage to holding some species (e.g., walleye) under carrying capacity. FMB responded that there might be some lakes where fish are nearing carrying capacity. Response to situation might be to allow increased harvest or let the lake achieve a balance naturally. Are pros and cons for both approaches. Concern raised that northern pike are getting smaller and skinnier in some southern Alberta water bodies (Medicine Hat area). Unsure of cause or what could be done. FMB responded that this issue should be brought up at the Area Round Table for discussion and is this a cached webpage or did it take 13 years to ammend? http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/20.../reg3-eng.html |
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I dont think this applies to the travers discussion regarding this particular closure. But it could explain why size numbers are decreasing in travers and some of the other southern res'. Once again it would be awesome to have the data that they gathered this statement from or that they are basing the closures on. |
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However, I received an email this morning on the "Data" of Travers and this is the bulk of the letter,,, which raises another question or several; ...... the netting survey you seem to be searching for was just completed at the end of September. We won't get around to analyzing the data until this winter, and the report won't be available until next spring at the earliest. |
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Thank You for your hard work |
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Then you have no choice but to email our Bio over seeing the lake |
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This Alberta Government has become world class for withholding information. Wildlife management and hunting regulation changes are having the same issue. Serious regulation changes without public release of any data to support the need. That's why I say, the PC party has gotta go.:mad0030: Without the data, this whole thread, percieved problems and solutions, is pure speculation. For those concernced, the Number 1 Priority must be to obtain the data. Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy website. http://www.servicealberta.ca/foip/ |
Actually the number one priority should be to get the SRD/Bios funding so they can get good data and the staffing to obtain it. There is no real conspiracy here.
On another but related note. All the fuss that these threads created have have got guys phoning and emailing Terry and staff. Guess what, that just takes him away from other related duties:). While I understand it is your/our "right" to be informed, it uses up their time. Maybe thats why the round table? Maybe why the "groups"? Much of this contact is beotching and not neccessarily productive. Input can be very important and helpful but also eats up resources. Some on here are irate/outraged at the process and or lack of process, but is something else for you to think about. |
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No one is convincing me Im wasting anyones time, just because i want answers to legitimate questions doesnt make me the bad guy. Im curious is what ive highlighted in RED information direct from SRD? If you truely believe we are wasting SRD's time, Wouldnt the volunteer release of info and data cure this? If we are doing it the wrong way...educate me.....how? I have attended the SRD meeting, I have now joined WU and attended their last meeting. I accept your critisism but to use your words..... "Much of this contact is beotching and not neccessarily productive"......unless you have a solution |
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You have joined a group.:):sHa_shakeshout: It is just something for people to think about, thats all. Once again horse read my post! Join a group be part of your solution:) I guess I need to use more icons to get my thoughts across. Seems like I ruffle lots of feathers when I type.:) I guess I should add, I have been a member of the LFG, Walleyes Unlimited and SAWT for 35ish years. Not neccessarily all at the same time.:sHa_shakeshout: |
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So the data for Travers doesn't exist or isn't sufficient to be reliable? Many provinces and american states have found the internet to be a great place (easily accessible and cost efficient) to provide information to the public. The Alberta Gov. prefers to hold information behind the FOIP act. "Round Tables" and "interest group" meetings rarely provide information to the public, just summaries of process and decisions. These processes do not allow the public to be informed. Beotching is what the Public needs to do. |
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Interesting..... How does a person go about finding out that people have been contacting Terry Clayton? And that most of it has been bitching and not productive? Hmmmmmm....... |
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By reading posts and putting 2 and 2 together:) Where did I say most? See thats what I am experiencing too. |
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I find that very strange. |
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And just saying that groups are easier to deal with than individuals, not that individuals are not important. |
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Oh sorry, didn't realize that 'much' doesn't mean 'most'..... My bad. And ya... even by reading prior posts, a person wouldn't/couldn't infer the amount of contact there has been to Terry, if there has even been any at all, let alone that "much" (not most) of the said contact has been bitching and moaning. That info is just not there from prior posts.... |
Ok guys time for you to figure it out.
You choose to see only what you want anyway. LOL:) |
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Well I think a lot of guys have already figured it out.......! I would think we are not the only ones to only see what we want. We are just carful of the way we post it Quote:
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Yup my bad, "much" was a bad choice of word.
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And as for me, I will continue to dig for info and I don't do it in a manner that could be construed as beotching,,, oddly enough, a bio dude who re-contacted me by phone was more up in arms about the non-data than I was,,, but that story will come later. |
Im curious how many have contacted SRD and how many have gotten replies.
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Yuppers Here ya go justin c , im staying out of this one , what some people are saying! Kelly Lyle give your figen head a shake , and go back to the whole u came from! Plus im way to busy chasing WT up north to read threw this crap , i might make time once hunting season is over!! Oh theres another 160 hmmm looks like hes going to walk thats number 2 up here so far hopefully a big deer will walk out , 2 more days till im sask bound Later girls have fun whining , cause the men are out hunting in the cold ! |
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