Originally Posted by Justin.C (Post 1162497)

If it is benificial to the lake I am 1000000000% for it..All for making it better.....

Originally Posted by MoFugger21 (Post 1162507)

Ya that's what I thought, but is protecting spawning walleye ever not beneficial?

Originally Posted by Justin.C (Post 1162518)

should be...but i just want to hear the proof from our tax $$$ paying these biologists....

Originally Posted by GustavMahler (Post 1162579)

I'm tired of looking but there could be something in this link.
http://142.229.230.68/FishWildlife/F...Apr16-2011.pdf

there's some interesting stuff, this is a good bit;

Concerns expressed from some stakeholders about overpopulations of walleye in some lakes, view this as underutilization, sees impacts on the fish (“skinny walleye”), and potential conflicts with other users. View some advantage to holding some species (e.g., walleye) under carrying capacity. FMB responded that there might be some lakes where fish are nearing carrying capacity. Response to situation might be to allow increased harvest or let the lake achieve a balance naturally. Are pros and cons for both approaches.
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Concern raised that northern pike are getting smaller and skinnier in some southern Alberta water bodies (Medicine Hat area). Unsure of cause or what could be done. FMB responded that this issue should be brought up at the Area Round Table for discussion

and is this a cached webpage or did it take 13 years to ammend?
http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/20.../reg3-eng.html

Originally Posted by Dan Foss (Post 1162852)

That doesnt really answer any questions at all. If applied to the travers situation it actually raises more questions. If they are saying that fish are not getting as big and are skinnier due to the lake reaching carrying capacity then the answer should be slot size harvest. not extended closures. That is the exact opposites of each other.

I dont think this applies to the travers discussion regarding this particular closure. But it could explain why size numbers are decreasing in travers and some of the other southern res'. Once again it would be awesome to have the data that they gathered this statement from or that they are basing the closures on.

Originally Posted by GustavMahler (Post 1162888)

If offers a perspective into the decision making and potential names and contacts of those who would have the data.

However, I received an email this morning on the "Data" of Travers and this is the bulk of the letter,,, which raises another question or several;

...... the netting survey you seem to be searching for was just completed at the end of September. We won't get around to analyzing the data until this winter, and the report won't be available until next spring at the earliest.

Originally Posted by Justin.C (Post 1162518)

should be...but i just want to hear the proof from our tax $$$ paying these biologists....

Originally Posted by chubbdarter (Post 1160120)

First off, i applaud everyone in this thread for keeping cool heads and avoiding a lock down. Thank You.
(except for the obvious 1 and 2 post alters)

Some of posters seem to have a huge dislike for the SRD, which may be founded for whatever personal reasons they may have.
Some have posted their personal discussions on what SRD has told them, e.g. "That the arm is not a major spawning area", that comment alone is confussing and lessens the credibilty of this change.
Although i respect that certain clubs claim to have pushed this reg change thru, I want the data from SRD that backs this reg change, data which has been refussed to us. Proper data that gives us the best options for the lake's health. Data that indicates population numbers,fishing pressure,year classes,areas of the lake that need special consideration, etc etc.
Without the data and paper trail i fail to see SRD's purpose or function concerning OUR fish.My issue has been from the beginning a issue of transperancy. All though i back this reg change in part as it is written. As a fisherman of Travers for over 40 years i see a problem. Is my issue with certain clubs an special interest groups?, not really but there appears to be some evidence in this thread that may indicate they know more than average joe blow fisherman.

Originally Posted by npauls (Post 1160279)

Thank you for that hard work you are putting in chubb. and I hope you can dig up the information that is necessary to really get everyone on the same page about what is happening with this water system.

Like you said, until we see that information no one can really say what is best for the fishery or make the proper changes to make it a better fishery.

Originally Posted by chubbdarter (Post 1162171)

I think your suggesting the purposed reg change is not enough to remedy the problem you describe......if thats the case, I fully agree we need more regulations to address the real problem.

Originally Posted by MoFugger21 (Post 1162552)

This is what makes all of this so strange.... While I think most of us can agree that a longer spring closure would most likely be beneficial to the lively hood of the fishery, there appears to be no data or studies to actually support the closure. So that goes back to all the underlying questions being asked in this thread. Specifically (but definitely not limited to)....

• What exactly was the process used to come to this decision?
• What data is there, if any, to support this decision?
• Why the decision to push for a closure to the west arm, and not a longer closure for the whole lake?

So, if there is no data or studies to support this closure, even though most of us believe it would be beneficial to the lake, how exactly did all of this come about? Surely the SRD doesn't just make regulation changes on a whim, so there must be some underlying issues or motives pushing this closure.... It's all pretty 'fishy' to me...

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish (Post 1166459)

Actually the number one priority should be to get the SRD/Bios funding so they can get good data and the staffing to obtain it. There is no real conspiracy here.

On another but related note. All the fuss that these threads created have have got guys phoning and emailing Terry and staff. Guess what, that just takes him away from other related duties:).

While I understand it is your/our "right" to be informed, it uses up their time. Maybe thats why the round table? Maybe why the "groups"?

Much of this contact is beotching and not neccessarily productive. Input can be very important and helpful but also eats up resources. Some on here are irate/outraged at the process and or lack of process, but is something else for you to think about.

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish (Post 1166459)

Actually the number one priority should be to get the SRD/Bios funding so they can get good data and the staffing to obtain it. There is no real conspiracy here.

On another but related note. All the fuss that these threads created have have got guys phoning and emailing Terry and staff. Guess what, that just takes him away from other related duties:).

While I understand it is your/our "right" to be informed, it uses up their time. Maybe thats why the round table? Maybe why the "groups"?

Much of this contact is beotching and not neccessarily productive. Input can be very important and helpful but also eats up resources. Some on here are irate/outraged at the process and or lack of process, but is something else for you to think about.

Originally Posted by chubbdarter (Post 1166508)

If all the calls swamp the dept to realize they need more funding or personal, then our point is made.
No one is convincing me Im wasting anyones time, just because i want answers to legitimate questions doesnt make me the bad guy.
Im curious is what ive highlighted in RED information direct from SRD?
If you truely believe we are wasting SRD's time, Wouldnt the volunteer release of info and data cure this?
If we are doing it the wrong way...educate me.....how?
I have attended the SRD meeting, I have now joined WU and attended their last meeting.
I accept your critisism but to use your words.....
"Much of this contact is beotching and not neccessarily productive"......unless you have a solution

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish (Post 1166459)

Actually the number one priority should be to get the SRD/Bios funding so they can get good data and the staffing to obtain it. There is no real conspiracy here.

On another but related note. All the fuss that these threads created have have got guys phoning and emailing Terry and staff. Guess what, that just takes him away from other related duties:).

While I understand it is your/our "right" to be informed, it uses up their time. Maybe thats why the round table? Maybe why the "groups"?

Much of this contact is beotching and not neccessarily productive. Input can be very important and helpful but also eats up resources. Some on here are irate/outraged at the process and or lack of process, but is something else for you to think about.

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish (Post 1166885)

:)

This was not directed at you cd! What im saying is its easier for them to deal with groups than individuals!

You have joined a group.:):sHa_shakeshout:

It is just something for people to think about, thats all.

Once again horse read my post! Join a group be part of your solution:)

I guess I need to use more icons to get my thoughts across.

Seems like I ruffle lots of feathers when I type.:)

I guess I should add, I have been a member of the LFG, Walleyes Unlimited and SAWT for 35ish years. Not neccessarily all at the same time.:sHa_shakeshout:

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish (Post 1166459)

Actually the number one priority should be to get the SRD/Bios funding so they can get good data and the staffing to obtain it. There is no real conspiracy here.

On another but related note. All the fuss that these threads created have have got guys phoning and emailing Terry and staff. Guess what, that just takes him away from other related duties:).

While I understand it is your/our "right" to be informed, it uses up their time. Maybe thats why the round table? Maybe why the "groups"?

Much of this contact is beotching and not neccessarily productive. Input can be very important and helpful but also eats up resources. Some on here are irate/outraged at the process and or lack of process, but is something else for you to think about.

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish (Post 1166885)

:)

This was not directed at you cd! What im saying is its easier for them to deal with groups than individuals!
You have joined a group.:):sHa_shakeshout:

It is just something for people to think about, thats all.

Once again horse read my post! Join a group be part of your solution:)

I guess I need to use more icons to get my thoughts across.

Seems like I ruffle lots of feathers when I type.:)

I guess I should add, I have been a member of the LFG, Walleyes Unlimited and SAWT for 35ish years. Not neccessarily all at the same time.:sHa_shakeshout:

Originally Posted by MoFugger21 (Post 1166986)

Interesting..... How does a person go about finding out that people have been contacting Terry Clayton? And that most of it has been bitching and not productive? Hmmmmmm.......

Originally Posted by MoFugger21 (Post 1166986)

Interesting..... How does a person go about finding out that people have been contacting Terry Clayton? And that most of it has been bitching and not productive? Hmmmmmm.......

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish (Post 1167431)

Again

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish (Post 1167438)

By reading posts and putting 2 and 2 together:)



Where did I say most?

See thats what I am experiencing too.

Originally Posted by walking buffalo (Post 1166942)

So the data for Travers doesn't exist or isn't sufficient to be reliable?



Many provinces and american states have found the internet to be a great place (easily accessible and cost efficient) to provide information to the public. The Alberta Gov. prefers to hold information behind the FOIP act.

"Round Tables" and "interest group" meetings rarely provide information to the public, just summaries of process and decisions. These processes do not allow the public to be informed.

Beotching is what the Public needs to do.

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish (Post 1166459)

Actually the number one priority should be to get the SRD/Bios funding so they can get good data and the staffing to obtain it. There is no real conspiracy here.

On another but related note. All the fuss that these threads created have have got guys phoning and emailing Terry and staff. Guess what, that just takes him away from other related duties:).

While I understand it is your/our "right" to be informed, it uses up their time. Maybe thats why the round table? Maybe why the "groups"?

Much of this contact is beotching and not neccessarily productive. Input can be very important and helpful but also eats up resources. Some on here are irate/outraged at the process and or lack of process, but is something else for you to think about.

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish (Post 1167438)

By reading posts and putting 2 and 2 together:)
Where did I say most?

See thats what I am experiencing too

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish (Post 1167459)

Ok guys time for you to figure it out.

You choose to see only what you want anyway. LOL:)

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish (Post 1167438)

By reading posts and putting 2 and 2 together:)



Where did I say most?

See thats what I am experiencing too.

Originally Posted by chubbdarter (Post 1166508)

If all the calls swamp the dept to realize they need more funding or personal, then our point is made.
No one is convincing me Im wasting anyones time, just because i want answers to legitimate questions doesnt make me the bad guy.
Im curious is what ive highlighted in RED information direct from SRD?
If you truely believe we are wasting SRD's time, Wouldnt the volunteer release of info and data cure this?
If we are doing it the wrong way...educate me.....how?
I have attended the SRD meeting, I have now joined WU and attended their last meeting.
I accept your critisism but to use your words.....
"Much of this contact is beotching and not neccessarily productive"......unless you have a solution

Originally Posted by Dan Foss (Post 1151524)

Because people are childish. As it has already been established, the boundaries and dates for the SAWT are set by the licenses they are given to hold the tournament. SAWT could have chosen to apply additional boundaries to not include that section but lets face it(and this forum is an example), Anglers are a bunch of whiny babies. Half of the SAWT anglers would complain and whine that "but if half-wit angler-Joe is allowed to fish that section why cannot the tournament anglers who likely have superior fish handling skills". IF you dont think this would happen, then you need to wake up. It's like anything in the world, if the saw says you should be allowed to do something then there will be a group of people who think it is their legal right to do so and if a third party says no then that group will resist. If people were allowed to carry guns, they would.

It's not so simple as the SAWT saying "we are closing this section". especially when competition, money, and men are involved. There was no conflict of interest with the President of WU and SAWT being the same guy. If anything it worked to the best interests of both groups by incorporating them together. Providing both groups with invaluable information about the sport and the fish that we all enjoy.

PS. The people who know the answers are smart enough to not get involved in this kind of thing. I mean come on, it doesn't take a genius to figure out the clashing mentalities and superegos floating around here creates the grounds for a legitimate discussion about as stable as boiling water. That is why those who have the answers have pretty much said no more than tell people where to go for meetings that will provide some information.

Originally Posted by Drop_Tine (Post 1170744)

Yuppers

Here ya go justin c , im staying out of this one , what some people are saying!


Kelly Lyle give your figen head a shake , and go back to the whole u came from!

Plus im way to busy chasing WT up north to read threw this crap , i might make time once hunting season is over!! Oh theres another 160 hmmm looks like hes going to walk thats number 2 up here so far hopefully a big deer will walk out , 2 more days till im sask bound

Later girls have fun whining , cause the men are out hunting in the cold !